#276: The Worthington Factor

PLANNING FOR A CONTRACTING ECONOMY

I still have vivid recollections of my first experience of driving in a big city – in my case, London – where the volume, speed and aggression of traffic was outside all my prior rural and small-town motoring experience. The collective attitude seemed to be: “I may not know where I’m going – but I’ll get there before you do!”

Financial markets seem to have adopted a similarly frenetic mentality, characterised by a combination of breathtaking speed and a complete lack of direction.

Just weeks ago, in the full flood of AI euphoria, the NASDAQ index hit an all-time high. It has since dropped rapidly, unwinding all gains made since September 2021. The stock price of Nvidia, poster-child for the AI afficionados, has fallen by 20% in less than a month.

My attitude to this directionless froth and frenzy is to reflect on The Worthington Factor, the thought being that Don’t put your daughter into tech, Mrs Worthington would be an appropriate soundtrack for our times. Equally, There are bad times just around the corner is an apt commentary on unfolding prospects in many economies and, for once, I will particularize, saying that Mrs Worthington would be especially unwise if she invested her daughter’s future in Britain or Japan.

Many of us never believed that AI was going to be world-changing anyway, so this latest handbrake-turn in market sentiment is, perhaps, of little material significance.

What’s far more important right now is that the transition to renewable energy is decelerating markedly, whilst even the BBC has noticed “cooling interest in electric vehicles”.

In big-picture terms, then, whilst investor gains or losses on the latest technological fad might not matter very much, the same can’t be said of the unfolding failure of the consensus narrative of ‘sustainable growth built on ultra-cheap renewables and limitless advances in technology’.

In stark contrast to market drama, the consensus line on global economic conditions has become almost soporific. Growth is continuing, we’re told, though some observers are starting to concede that long-term growth trends have been softening.

Likewise, we can rest assured of an economic soft-landing, whilst financial risk, though elevated, remains manageable. Inflation, although proving surprisingly sticky, is being brought back under control, and central banks may be able to relax their monetary policies in the not-too-distant future.

In search of answers

Looking beyond rollercoaster markets and the sleep-inducingly laid-back economic consensus, many of us – whether as consumers, voters, employees, employers, entrepreneurs or investors –  want to know what’s going to happen next, and we can’t obtain this information from market or consensus sources.

The aim here is to try to provide some answers.

The conclusion is that, at this point, the wise person should be putting little or no faith in promises of “growth”, especially where these promises are based on energy transition, the advance of technology or the wisdom of decision-makers in government, business or finance.

Beyond a general scepticism about the promises made by political leaders, we need to recognise that some national economies are in very, very big trouble.

I’ve been busy putting the latest raft of economic data into SEEDS, but the projections supplied by the system are very largely unchanged. My broad conclusion is that decision-makers either don’t know, or choose not to discuss, where the economy and the financial system are really going.

In economic terms, material prosperity is at, or very near, the point at which prior growth inflects into contraction. Meanwhile, the real costs of necessities are continuing to rise.

The result is leveraged compression of the affordability of discretionary (non-essential) products and services. As well as keeping her daughter out of “tech”, a modern Mrs Worthington would be well advised to steer clear of sectors supplying things which consumers may want, but don’t need. Obvious examples include leisure, travel, hospitality, media and real estate.

Financially, decision-makers are sitting in the cab of a runaway railway locomotive, pulling one lever after another in a frenzied – and futile – effort to stave off an impending wreck.

It might help to put some numbers on this. With everything stated at constant 2023 values, reported global GDP has expanded by $88 trillion over the past twenty years. But this has been accompanied – indeed, made possible – by a $290tn increase in debt, the latter accounting for only half of an estimated $580tn escalation in broader liabilities over the same period.

SEEDS headline numbers put this into context. Since 2003, and in stark contrast to the reported doubling of GDP since then, global aggregate prosperity has increased by only 28%. Because the world’s population rose by 26% between 2003 and 2023, the average person was less than 2% more prosperous last year than he or she was twenty years ago. Against that, his or her share of total debt far more than doubled – it rose by 140% – between those years.

The projections provided by SEEDS don’t, at first sight, look particularly frightening. In comparison with 2023, aggregate prosperity is forecast only fractionally lower by 2030, though 14% reduced by 2040. The world’s average person is set to be 7% poorer by 2030, and 25% less prosperous by 2040. This is a far cry from the imminent economic “collapse” predicted by some.

The devil, though, is in the detail. Whilst the world’s average person may be “only” 7% poorer by 2030, his or her cost of essentials is projected to rise by 14% in real terms over that period. This means that per capita PXE – Prosperity eXcluding Essentials – will fall by 17% in the coming seven years, and will have more than halved (-54%) by 2040.

This why Mrs Worthington’s daughter needs to steer well clear of discretionaries, and plan a career in a sector which supplies necessities to consumers.

Fig. 1

There is, as you might expect, a nasty sting in the tale of discretionary contraction.

As well as ceasing to be able to afford costly holidays, a new car or entertainment subscriptions, and in addition being unable to respond to the allure of the advertised, the average person is going to find it increasingly hard to ‘keep up the payments’ on all of the mortgages, secured and unsecured loans and broader financial commitments taken on in the years of reckless credit expansion.

This takes us, necessarily, into the question of risk. The consensus line about financial risk being manageable is based on the mistaken assumption that credit carrying capacity will expand even as the quantum of obligations continues to rise. This, though, isn’t going to happen.

We’ve reached a point at which event risk – vulnerabilities to wars, pandemics and localised crises – is recognised, whilst process and systemic risk are not.

By process risk is meant a deterioration in the economy as a system for the supply of material products and services to society. Systemic risk references the consequences of a continuing worsening in the disequilibrium between the “real” and the “financial” economies.

It’s time for us to get into some economic fundamentals.

Looking backwards, looking forwards

Having started my career as an oil and gas analyst, it was never much of a stretch to work out that the economy itself is an energy system – there was probably no point at which I wasn’t fully aware of this.

Writing investment strategy research in the heat of the 2008-09 global financial crisis, however, led to one inescapable conclusion, which was that the financial system had become massively out-of-kilter with the underlying economy itself – there was, and remains, no other way of explaining the fundamental causation of the GFC.

This led to the conclusion that the economy cannot be interpreted in terms of money alone, but requires recognition of the concept of two economies – a “real economy” of material products and services, and a parallel “financial economy” of money, transactions and credit.

I put these ideas forward in a series of reports – including Perfect Storm – authored as global head of research at Tullett Prebon, one of the world’s biggest inter-dealer brokers, and developed them in the book Life After Growth, published in 2013.

Whilst writing the latter, I became uncomfortably aware of an inability to model and project the material “real” economy, both as the driver of prosperity and as the underlying basis of the set of financial processes lazily, and mistakenly, referred to as “the economy”.

To cut these recollections short, it took five years to complete the calculation of material prosperity, and another five to explore the ramifications of the two economies concept whilst refining and developing the SEEDS model.

Fortuitously, completion of this project occurred just as unmistakable evidence began to emerge of the ending of the precursor zone, and the onset of the inflexion of the economy from growth into contraction.

The Surplus Energy Economics approach is based on three principles, each of which seems incontrovertible. The first is that of prosperity as a material concept, provided by the use of energy to convert natural resources into products and services.

Since the supply and use of energy requires a material infrastructure – and nothing material can be created, operated, maintained or replaced without the use of energy – it follows that, whenever energy is accessed for our use, some of that energy is always consumed in the access process, and is unavailable for any other economic purpose.

This “consumed in access” component is known in SEE as the Energy Cost of Energy, adding the principle of ECoE to the principle of the economy as an energy system.

The third basic principle is that of money as claim. This recognises that, since money has no intrinsic worth – we can’t eat money, or power our cars with it – it commands value only as an exercisable claim on those material products and services for which it can be exchanged.

When, along these lines, we compare the material economy with its monetary counterpart, it becomes apparent that the history and future of the material and monetary economies needs to be recalibrated in terms of two dynamics. One of these is the supply, value and cost of energy. The second is the relationship between the energy and financial economic systems.

ECoE is critical in these interconnected dynamics. If we have to consume, say, 90 energy units to put 100 energy units to use, we have a low prosperity system, indeed an economy comparable to the agrarian societies that preceded industrialization.

If, conversely, we can consume only 1 or 2 energy units in harnessing 100, the effect on prosperity is transformational.

This is the nature of the economic transformation which, known to historians as the Industrial Revolution, followed from the harnessing of fossil fuel energy in the late 1700s.

Our predicament now is, in its fundamentals, simply stated. The trend ECoEs of fossil fuels are rising inexorably, as a consequence of, quite naturally, using lowest-cost resources of oil, natural gas and coal first, and leaving costlier alternatives for later.

Contrary to widespread assumption, renewable energy sources, such as wind and solar power, cannot take us back to low ECoEs enjoyed in the heyday of carbon fuels. The material characteristics of renewables make this impossible, and technology – again contrary to widespread supposition – can’t repeal the laws of thermodynamics in order to make it possible.

It was never likely that we would choose to address environmental and ecological hazard by voluntarily relinquishing our fixation with “growth”. One doesn’t need to be unduly cynical to think that sustainability alone could never have been sold to the public as a choice preferable to consumerism. This, perhaps, is why the pursuit of environmental responsibility has been presented to the public as a promise of “sustainable growth”.

As the economy inflects from growth into contraction, two trends, at least, are clear. The first is that we’re going to have to prioritise needs over wants. The second is that we’ll have to redesign a financial system built on the false predicate of infinite, exponential economic expansion on a finite planet.

Listening to the song, it’s hard not to feel sorry for young Miss or Ms Worthington, for whom “the width of her seat/would surely defeat/her chances of success” treading the boards, whilst “an ingénue role/would emphasise her squint”.

But at least her modern-day equivalents can choose not to make their prospects worse by ignoring the hard realities of an inflecting economy and a dangerously over-stressed financial system.       

188 thoughts on “#276: The Worthington Factor

  1. Apple and Discretionary Spending

    “Smartphone owners are now the global majority, New GSMA report reveals. 11th October 2023, London: Over half (54%) of the global population – some 4.3 billion people – now owns a smartphone, according to the GSMA’s annual State of Mobile Internet Connectivity Report 2023 (SOMIC) published today.”

    So it is normal that the S curve will inflect at this point. Future increases would have to come from a new generation of phones with unique capabilities. The country with the most saturated market is, by at least one study, China.

    Fast food is likely a different story. My guess: food prices have escalated sharply. I am still shocked when I check out at the supermarket. So people are looking for ways to economize. Not going through the drive through on the way to work for one’s latte or morning burger is an excellent way to save to some money.

    Don Stewart

    • No, I think there really has been a change in the smartphone market.

      In the good times, people bought a new smartphone simply because it was the new, latest version, and did so long after real advances had pretty much ceased. It was a fashion statement. They were never content just because they had an ageing smartphone. These days, about 20% of sales are used items.

      The big one to watch in discretionaries is travel. That’s one of the discretionaries that people will really try to cling on to, even if that means getting into big debt problems.

    • Maybe it’s my age, but I find travel tedious and stressful. When some thought about travel crosses my mind, I increasingly ask my self “if I had only 1 week to live, would I spend it in airports?”.

      I spent 3 hours in the Austin, Tx airport and remarked to my wife that the only thing one could do was eat junk food and drink alcohol.

      The movie Enchanted April gave the best side of travel: escaping dreary London and male dominance and finding an Italian villa and even romance and potentially true love. 

      But I think that the best formula was that of Thoreau: traveling widely in Concord. Within 15 miles of my house I can find people who live quite different lives than I do. Ideally, putting oneself in a different environment has to be a lot better investment than a cruise which features boredom and way to much food and liquor and gambling.

      Right now, walking in the woods near my house, the 17 year locusts are doing their thing…which is mating like crazy and dropping like flies and then disappearing for 17 years. Ruminating on that is probably a lot more sensible than sitting in an airport.

      Don Stewart

    • I like the Thoreau idea, and there’s a gently comic equivalent in Jerome K Jerome’s Three Men In A Boat, in which Harris, George and J, plus their dog, take a meandering holiday along the Thames.

      Why somebody would sprint to, say, Paris, just to photograph themselves in front of the Eiffel Tower and drink too much vin ordinaire, is something that I find baffling.

      Still, it won’t last much longer.

  2. Dialogue on the Collapse of US Political System

    I think he is absolutely correct about the Democrats. There is a substantial number of Democrats who think that Genocide Joe is intolerable. Just as intolerable is Mr. Trump. But there is effectively no other choice. My own gloss on the situation is that the US has maneuvered itself into a place where a very destructive war is almost inevitable. So we have a deteriorating fiscal situation for the government, with bashing somebody being the only thing that the politicos agree upon. But the politicos probably see it as good for the military/ industrial complex and thus a fountain of campaign contributions..Don Stewart

    • Former Ambassador Chas Freeman is an example of a professional career diplomat, I try to listen to him each time he has made himself available over the last few years,

      it’s such a contrast with the clowns that are currently running the show, there really are some remarkable Americans out there, but the current establishment is impervious to their wisdom and insight.

  3. Excellent assessment Tim, thank you, and of course I agree as I always have, after reading your book in 2013 when I was battling to understand what had happened in Cyprus in that year. Many years later I do understand thanks in no measure your input.

    Now I ask – what if oil is abiotic? https://expose-news.com/2023/10/01/great-oil-conspiracy-oil-is-not-a-fossil-fuel/ It seems that methane is generally present in and around our solar system, especially in moons and things beyond my ken.

    Does this change the formulation? https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/tesla-shares-plunge-malthus-was-a?r=hkcp6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    Best wishes

    AP

    • Thanks Peter.

      Tesla isn’t alone in its woes – other EV makers are struggling as well. Expectations for EVs have long been far too optimistic. These expectations have been being walked back for at least two years now.

    • “Now I ask – what if oil is abiotic?”

      okay, let’s pretend it is.

      then why isn’t this abiotic process refilling all the world’s oil fields?

      if the abiotic process is really real, how many millions of years will it take to refill the oil fields?

      I am curiouser and curiouser.

    • Ha Ha David – me too! My good colleague at BOOM Economics is convinced that abiotic oil is real, but as you say, how long will it take to refill reserves. My best guess is longer than it takes for us to drain existing deposits. Thus Tim’s projections are realistic IMHO.

  4. The End Times?

    I have to go find my old Bible and review exactly what the Book of Revelation says about the End Times. It seems to me that the End will feature humanity being buried in BS. There is so much of it at the present time that search engines are becoming less and less dependable. It is, for example, very easy to find lots of videos proclaiming that Russia is in desperate straits, while it is equally as easy to find proclamations that Russia will have achieved total victory by summer.

    Name an issue, and there will be claims about the issue which are diametrically opposed.

    I also observe that news sources are extremely polarized in order to please the true believers, while those just interested in making money ignore the real issues in order to keep some crowd pleasing narrative going.

    If we humans can avoid being buried in BS, how about nuclear annhilation? Scott Ritter has a “Dr. Morgan on Steroids” analysis of the probillity of nuclear war. He describes the world as being captive to French threats to nuke Russia if Ukraine collapses. Scott says that Russia is re-evaluating its nuclear policy to allow preemptive strikes to meet threats such as those emanating from Paris.

    I wish I had some solution to suggest. But….perhaps this is just AI run wild? Maybe all these articles are being created by silicon?

    Let’s hope so….Don Stewart

    • The part of the equation which worries me is economic.

      Financial assets, which we can also think of as liabilities or claims, stand at about 5.7X world GDP, or $600tn, and that’s even before we get into derivatives. We couldn’t honour all these claims ‘for value’ even if the underlying real economy was growing, which it isn’t.

      So, something must break. We’ve only had little fractures so far, like the Truss fiasco and SVB. But if something big were to break, and if there was just an 8% degradation of the value of the private part of all these claims, CBs would have to double their assets to plug the gap, dwarfing what happened in the GFC or the pandemic. In that sense, we’re just one shock event, or one miscalculation, or one political blunder, away from an event that could make the GFC look like a tea-party.

      In other words, we don’t need a nuclear war or anything like that to take us into crisis – just more of the same greed and incompetence could take us there. Who is prepared to take even part of the hit before we redesign the system? We can’t even agree to let property prices fall in order to help the young; or accept some margin compression to cushion the effects of inflation for ‘ordinary’ people; or rein in the exponential creation of financial claims.

      I’m putting myself through a rapid revision of banking and monetary economics, because that’s the area, I think, in which things are going to break loose.

    • If modern human systems are biologically designed to accommodate and facilitate population growth and the frontline interface of this process is the system’s relationship with developers of whatever sector, then at some point which I think is now, the human energy output of the human population will start experiencing efficiency losses rather than gains as per the law of diminishing returns.

      This efficiency loss or gain would I think include the human energy expended in designing and operating technology so that the diminishing return efficiency curve for human energy output would also include technology.

      A subset of this efficiency curve is the efficiency of human produced power which is eroding as we know.

      I’d assume that as the rate of efficiency losses increase then the ability to pay back liabilities that were priced to an expected future efficiency gain or priced to a previous lower level of efficiency loss decreases and then debt bubbles will start to burst.

      Possibly this was demonstrated by the Truss fiasco which put the icing on the BoE cake that was already offloading gilts to a saturated and hesitant market with Treasury losses of around £90bn.

      Perhaps the increased supply of gilts that Truss was expecting to finance tax cuts was an efficiency bridge too far in terms of the relationship between present efficiencies and future efficiencies knowing that the long run efficiency curve does not look good.

      Also, is the global debt being partially absorbed by the taxpayer in terms of losses associated with gilt fire sales?

    • And sorry, I mention the interface between the State system and developers because would the developer be the primary source of investment from profits and so would developer activity be where the relationship between efficiency coefficients effectively be measured and assessed to determine the financial ability to pay back liabilities?

      In writing this, I guess I am unintentionally revealing (to myself at least) a bridge between the real economy and the financial one and in general trying to understand the human system as one being determined by changing efficiency coefficients as we travel the diminishing returns curve as a species.

    • Let me put it like this. If you own a successful business, and have more customer demand than you can cope with, you can borrow money to expand your business, and pay off what you’ve borrowed from the increased profits. This is self-liquidating debt.

      But this doesn’t work at the macroeconomic level. Truss claimed that borrowing £X now would yield £X+ in future growth, paying off the debt. That didn’t convince the markets, and they were right. The UK economy is now ex-growth (or post-growth). Even official GDP figures now show this, with tiny amounts of growth outpaced by increases in population numbers.

      The UK is by no means alone in this – even in the US, real-terms growth of $675bn last year was far exceeded by the deficit of $2.4 tn, and Federal debt is soaring.

      I never know whether people like Truss actually believe in this borrow-to-grow stuff, or are really trying to justify the political objective of handing tax cuts to the better off. The pro-Tory press lauded her mini-budget when it was announced.

  5. @Dr. Morgan

    You will find a lot of parallels between Larry Johnson’s assessment of the NATO/ Russian conflict with Ukraine supplying the casualties, and the financial situation in the West, here:

    The comments about Britain may sting or amuse…but they are not too dissimilar to your assessments.

    A question posed by your assessment of the financial system in the West: IF the West decided to become a serious conventional military power again by restricting the consumer economy and expanding the production of, for example, pig iron, would the debt laden Western economy survive?

    Don Stewart

    • Don, I appreciate many of your comments, but I would like to ask you to stop making these references to the Ukraine war. They are off topic. And, if I may add that from a European perspective, you have no full understanding of what this war is about and what is driving it. Let’s leave this topic. Thank you.

  6. Hi Tim,

    Perhaps you could help? As you know, I find your articles fascinating. It all makes so much sense…until I debate the situation with others who think it is all doom mongering. Then I read articles such as this one where oil and gas production shatter records.

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/US-Oil-and-Gas-Production-Continues-to-Shatter-Records.html

    I guess you would say volume isn’t what’s important, it is the cost to extract the oil and gas that counts. So can you point me to real-time figures where this can be corroborated please? Reliable, independent figures that show the cost of extracting energy has been rising.

    Thanks,

    NE

    • Thanks.

      First, I’m not a doom-monger. I believe that, if the reality of post-growth is recognised, we can (a) stop piling yet more stress onto the financial system, and (b) slow the rate at which we’re harming the environment. Additionally, the promise of infinite economic growth on a finite planet has never made sense.

      There are, to the best of my knowledge, no independent sources of data on the material cost of energy, not least because definitions differ. I had to construct my own dataset on ECoE, which was very challenging, and involved bringing overall economic trends into the equation. It took me a long time to do this.

    • Thanks Tim and I wasn’t calling you a doom mongerer!

      I’m just shocked that it isn’t standard in your sector to gather data on the material cost of energy! If not in the sector then, seeing as this is so fundamental, governments or intelligence agencies. Surely this is the number one threat to a country (during peace time)?

      I know it has taken you a long time but maybe you could write an article on a simplified way to verify what you say? As I say, everything you write makes complete sense when you look around but I can’t accept it on blind faith.

      I still think that, if you are correct with your analysis, there are many others coming to the same conclusion and this is the whole basis behind Net Zero – nothing to do with CO2 but instead nudging us to accept a poorer future. Not just accept but for us to think we chose the outcome for ourselves, for the sake of the planet.

    • No, I wasn’t saying that you were calling me a doom-monger, rather that all of us who see economic slowdown/de-growth as inescapable reach positive (if unpopular) conclusions about the environmental predicament, and think that we might get beyond a one-off financial crash into more sober behaviour.

      One of the problems with the material cost of energy is what to include. For instance, we need to include the steel used in oil wells, but do we include building the steelworks as well? Doing things this way – calculating ECoEs from the bottom up – would be a horrendous task, and might not produce meaningful results.

      The result of this and other complications is a very wide range of estimates.

      My approach was to reference all of this against broad trends in the economy, using this to benchmark the various estimates. For instance, if someone said that the energy cost of energy had risen from 2% in 1980 to 30% in 2010, the economy would already have collapsed, which clearly it hasn’t. I then needed to fit fuel-by-fuel costs into a framework which was set by a referenced – if you like, a plausible – economic interpretation.

      This took a long time, as did creating an output (pre-cost) series that was consistent with energy use.

      This identified (a) a pre-cost trend in output consistent with the use of energy, and (b) a measure of what I decided to call ex-cost prosperity, again consistent with experience.

      Whether governments – or, for that matter, big financial or non-financial corporates – have followed similar routes to similar conclusions is something that I can’t know, but my hunch would be that somebody, somewhere, must have done something like this.

  7. “Financial assets, which we can also think of as liabilities or claims, stand at about 5.7X world GDP, or $600tn, and that’s even before we get into derivatives. We couldn’t honour all these claims ‘for value’ even if the underlying real economy was growing, which it isn’t.”

    Wondering if many corporations going bankrupt and share prices plummeting would help to bring that 5.7x down to a more palatable level?

    If someone owns £100,000 worth of shares in Ford Motor Company and they go bankrupt then that “wealth” or financial “asset” goes to zero.

    Surely that’s how capitalism is supposed to work? You make bad investments you lose and we move on. One assumes the worry is how much exposure banks have to these paper assets that might get marked to zero?

    I have also seen people like Luke Groman say that the highly elevated US stock market contributes a lot to the governments income so assuming that is the case the deficit will widen significantly in a short space of time and most likely force interest rates up violently and suddenly if the market goes down to any large degree.

    There is also the problem of stock market crashes triggering those derivatives you mention.

    Does anyone or institution know where the bodies are buried with those things?

    Have seen a wide range of estimates on derivatives and arguments on both sides as to whether they are a problem or not.

    Have seen Egon Von Greyerz I think mention that derivatives out there amount to quadrillions which is simply mind boggling.

    Some argue that most will not be claimed upon or they will net out on the whole etc.

    I know Warren Buffet does not like them so there must be something to the argument that they are a ticking time bomb.

    • There’s an article by Ann Pettifor, which I’ve referenced before, that’s extremely instructive on monetary economics. Here are two quotations:

      This is tricky terrain for economists, because – remarkably enough – they are not routinely trained in the theory of money and banking. You can get through an economics degree, even an economics career, without pausing to think seriously about either“.

      To understand how grave an intellectual vacuum this leaves, imagine the chaos if physicists working on space projects had not been trained in the theory of gravity – a concept that is fundamental to physics in the way that money is fundamental to the economy“.

      I’m hesitant about venturing into monetary economics in an article here, but may find myself compelled to do so.

      On your question, there are two kinds of assets in this equation. First, if we own shares in company X, Y or Z, the market only tells us how much money we can get by selling them, today, to someone else. Tomorrow the price may be lower, or there may be no willing buyers. We can never monetize the entire supposed value of a big company, or of the market itself, because, if all owners sell, there is no buyer. I call this notional value.

      Debt, conversely, is defined value – the owner of debt knows exactly how much he’s entitled to, when, and with how much interest.

      The link between notional and defined value is collateral – for instance, you might have pledged your shares in company X as security for a loan. This where falls in notional asset price value can trigger default (destruction of) defined value.

  8. @Dr. Morgan

    OK. Shift the question from pig iron for military use to a deliberate decrease in pollution (e.g., microplastics or CO2 or junk food). Is the precariousness of the system which you describe so limiting that ANYTHING which upsets the current paradigm leads to collapse of the financial capitalism system?

    If so, then one obvious path is a command and control economy. Probably involving simply writing off debts. As Larry describes a conversation with an official in the Ukrainian shadow government, their goal is for Ukraine to take the same role as Belarus, which is both a separate state and also a key element in the military of the combined Russia/ Belarus system. I am not intimately familiar with that system, but I imagine that it contains a high percentage of command and control, as opposed to the independent contractors which characterize the Western militaries and which draw criticism from Larry.

    It seems to me that, with the margin for shrinkage so small, that a combination of writing off debt and also instituting command and control is the likely outcome. Rationing CO2 or regulating junk food or rationing debt or increase in state enterprises or manipulation of medical practices would all be examples of an increase in command and control. And all might necessitate writing off debt, both sovereign and private.

    Don Stewart

    • The problem with writing off debt is that doing this simultaneously writes off assets.

      For our purposes, assets fall into two distinct categories. One is traded assets like stocks and property. We think they’re worth $X today, though we don’t know that until we try to sell. We hope they’ll be worth more than $X tomorrow, but they won’t be if lots of people try to sell. Because markets have to match buying and selling, we can never monetise all, or even a large proportion, of the supposed value of traded assets.

      Defined assets are quite different. Here the holder is entitled to $X, generally plus interest. This is an enforceable contract.

      Yes, we can change the laws to abrogate these commitments, and in some circumstances ‘can’t pay, won’t pay’ applies. But this gets to the heart of money creation. Bank money (which is most of it) is created as a two-part equation, with a promise to pay – and/or asset collateral – as its counterpart. In short, if we destroy debts, we destroy money.

  9. @Dr. Morgan

    To take one example, the recent quantification of the sources of microplastic pollution identifies the big multinational food companies as prime suspects. IF microplastics were suddenly outlawed, then the market values of those companies and their ability to pay down debt would likely collapse. Since plastic has such a pervasive presence in the food system, it’s hard to imagine anything other than command and control to change it.

    If we don’t buy ground beef in a plastic wrapper, then we have to bring back neighborhood butchers and scales and paper wrappers and a very different distribution network. That is the system I grew up regarding as “normal”. But it is now almost completely gone…at least in the US. The investments and promises to pay based on the current plastic based system would have to be dissolved one way or the other.

    If one quarter of the Western economy has to be radically transformed, then it seems that the margin for shrinkage which you identify leads to a collapse of the financial system. Trying to solve all of the problems with incrementalism over decades is likely a doomed strategy. There is obviously no guarantee that we, collectively, would be smart enough to make command and control work, either. But it makes sense to me to first understand the dilemma.

    Can gradualism work? The Keeling Curve, which we have tried to bend for many decades with no success, suggests that gradualism isn’t going to save us.

    Don Stewart

    • Yes, I agree.

      It is in the nature of complex systems, that even if ‘gradualism’ were to be successful for a period, then eventually the accumulation of small changes leads to what in physics would be described as a phase change, but in a completely unpredictable way.

      Of course, any human efforts to resist the logic of increasing ECoE are themselves symptoms of the increasing ECoE, and in my opinion do themselves very likely, as a result of the Law of Unintended Consequences, have a very large chance of accelerating inevitable developments, rather than retarding them in any way.

    • “Trying to solve all of the problems with incrementalism over decades is likely a doomed strategy. There is obviously no guarantee that we, collectively, would be smart enough to make command and control work, either.”

      yes either seems likely to be doomed strategy, due to declining surplus energy.

      most govs seem to be into some level of command and control, but the Invisible Hand will be powerful as degrowth continues.

      I’m toying with the idea that the Invisible Hand will manage degrowth, by disrupting discretionary segments and allowing more of the remaining resources to flow towards essentials.

      degrowth could be quite steep, but then it might just be gradual.

    • You might be right…certainty in a situation like this seems a little absurd. But what I think might be catastrophic is the rather sudden realization that the financial values far exceed any real value in the future, followed by a collapse of the monetary system, triggering a collapse of the real economy. A similar collapse may be happening on the geopolitical scene, with many processes which parallel the financial collapse, including a realization that the West has, perhaps, lost control of the rest of the world. Since money is a function of government, and geopolitical power is a function of government, the two are probably more closely linked than most people would like to think. Loss of geopolitical power would likely be a severe blow to the US dollar. I rate the political leadership in the US as abysmal.

      The last thing I saw today was Poland and Italy saying that they should not be nuclear targets, and France seeming to back down somewhat. But I don’t trust anything from sources on the internet, as disinformation abounds. Who knows???

      Don Stewart

    • “But what I think might be catastrophic is the rather sudden realization that the financial values far exceed any real value in the future, followed by a collapse of the monetary system, triggering a collapse of the real economy.”

      and you might be right.

      but rather than sudden, it could be a decade(s) long process of realization, when in the meantime most people will have no better choice than to ride the tiger of BAU and stay in their lanes, whether the person is a worker/employee or a business owner or a banker or a tycoon etc.

      as the shift from expensive discretionaries and high end essentials moves to cheap discretionaries and lower quality essentials.

      there’s lots of room for people to maintain discretionary volume by going cheaper on those discretionaries and also by going cheaper on essentials.

      the looming degrowth has some fascinating aspects.

      every year may reveal more.

    • “the looming degrowth has some fascinating aspects.”

      And some darker than others. For example, if the financial sector collapses or significantly contracts, then all the humans who currently earn their living within the financial sector suddenly become non-essential humans. Likewise, if the discretionary sector collapses or dramatically contracts, then all of the humans currently earning a living throughout those supply chains, in everything from mining and energy, through to production, logistics, marketing, retail, and consumption, they all become non-essential humans.

      If you think in terms of gradual per capita change, yes, the downslope of degrowth could be smooth and survivable. If you think instead in terms of what the corporate-controlled system wants, and what it is prepared to sacrifice, it may not be a curve at all, but more a series of abrupt seismic cataclysms, one disastrous shock after another, with chaos and corporate self interest conspiring to decide who has value and is therefore worth protecting, by furnishing with essentials, and who does not.

      If corporate-controlled-consumerism fails, then all of those who serve that system by overconsumption of its goods and services, and by carrying enormous burdens of debt, effectively become disposable.

      Those who expect governments will act in the interests of their own citizens, when push comes to shove, rather than in the interests of the global financial-corporate system, are probably in for a rather rude shock.

    • @davidinamillionyears

      Do you follow the Met Gala? If not, do a search and examine the insanely expensive “undresses” on display right at this moment.

      If the Martians are watching the Earthlings, what would they make of the behavior on May 6, 2024?

      Don Stewart

    • I’ve more or less decided to go into the matter of monetary economics, and am planning to publish something about this shortly, that is, putting something up for us to debate.

      For now, we need to see QE as a rescue strategy for the unexpected.

      In microcosm, the BoE didn’t have to stand ready to leap to the rescue after the disastrous mini-budget just because GBP had tanked, and gilt yields had surged. Rather, LDI risk to pension funds came out of the woodwork, seemingly unexpected by almost everybody, because this was a form of esoteric risk, understood by few, but lying in wait to be triggered by other factors, in this case the fall in the value of gilts as collateral.

      How many people were really aware of sub-prime and associated MBS risk ahead of 2008? I have to admit that, at that same time, I hadn’t previously known about monoline insurers, because I’m not a money-banking specialist.

      So what I conclude is that something both big and new – ‘new’ in the sense of not familiar to non-specialialists – is to going to hit the system and force CBs into a rescue operation.

  10. From an interview of Luke Gromen a few months ago, conducted by Adam Taggart:

    “It’s always been that but again, it’s, this is why I always say, Listen, we need an economic or an energy productivity miracle. We need an energy productivity miracle it is, you know, fusion, small fission, these UAPs, whatever the hell they are, there’s some sort of technology here that can be commercialized rapidly, something that drives a productivity increase, there are other productivity increases, they’re not pleasant, but but you can get out of this. Look, if we overthrow Putin, and get complete control of all of his all of his resources, and we sell them cheap. That’s a productivity miracle. If the baby boom generation passes on over the next five years, and passes their assets quickly, and passes all of their 65 trillion in wealth to their kids, so that we get rid of the entitlement, basically, over a span of three to five years, while the kids boom economic growth, because it’s like a lottery ticket when the wealth shows up in their inbox. That’s a productivity miracle. These are things like there are ways out of this. They’re extremely, they become more unlikely by the day. So that your choices inflation, or collapse, you can’t cut six points a deficit without collapsing this.”

    https://wealthion.com/recession-is-inevitable-so-own-these-assets-luke-gromen/

    • Yes. I like the bit about “more unlikely by the day”, and about cutting six points off the deficit. The US economy grew by $675bn (real) last year, but the deficit was $2.4 trillion – that’s “growth”?

  11. NE:

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/US-Oil-and-Gas-Production-Continues-to-Shatter-Records.html

    I guess you would say volume isn’t what’s important, it is the cost to extract the oil and gas that counts. So can you point me to real-time figures where this can be corroborated please? Reliable, independent figures that show the cost of extracting energy has been rising.”

    In a backhanded sort of way that article confirms the ECoE thesis.

    We know that those ‘shattered records’ are a result of fracking, a decades-old technology. The very fact that fracking is now being used on the scale that it is shows that cheaper – in terms of production costs – oil is not being found. The same goes for drilling in the Arctic or below the sea-bed off the coast of Brazil. The bottoms of barrels – pun unintended – are being scraped.

    Detailed calculations, as Dr. Morgan points out, are next to imposssible, but the information we have is already good enough to confirm the broad direction.

  12. Dr Morgan,

    I really like your work and would like to be able to use it to describe future scenarios to my local government about how the economy will evolve so they can plan for the future that will occur vs the future they are dreaming of. Do you have a source of data for segmental analysis that could help me more accurately estimate a future forecast for my area?

    • Welcome, and, if I can help with that, I will. For a long time now I’ve been trying to work out a way of making data available to people visiting this site. ‘Area’ might be a bit difficult, though, as SEEDS doesn’t go into greater granularity than national economies.

    • Dr Morgan,

      Thanks for the quick reply. I found good data for my city and county in the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. I will compile this, and then it would seem that I need to establish the impact of lower prosperity by industry and the effects on our local economy. Probably impossible to do, but I will give it a go.

      I will reach out again once I have some data. Thanks much!

      Ivan Idso

  13. @Davidinamillionyears

    I’ve done a little noodling about a film which might tell us something about our current predicament. We need: greed; lies; sex; good guys; bad guys; incomprehensible stupidity; a series of women who can’t afford adequate clothing; a mad Old Testament prophet who is finally stoned to death to shut him up; conflict between the main characters; etc. After 5 minutes of Deep Thought on the subject, I nominate Bonfire of the Vanities as the movie should have been made from Tom Wolfe’s novel.

    “The film scores a 15% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 54 reviews. The critical consensus reads: “The Bonfire of the Vanities is a vapid adaptation of a thoughtful book, fatally miscast and shorn of the source material’s crucial sense of irony.”

    The Old Testament prophet is Scott Ritter, the mad former UN arms inspector warning, but ignored, about nuclear war as bigger, more precise, nuclear armed missiles are rolled out. Greed is on display most everywhere we look. The conflict happens between political leaders who imagine that playing with human lives is fun as they jockey for position. Girls who can’t afford adequate clothing get plenty of space at the Met Gala. And the sex for sale is provided by Trump’s escapades. The irony is provided as the Met Gala is insulated from the protesters concerned about the unpleasantness in Gaza.

    But we also need some sense that the world is ending. The Last Days of Pompeii might suggest something. Will our world drown in its own debauchery or will Vesuvius kill us in a fatal moment?

    I think I need to do some editing before taking this to Hollywood??? I forgot about the most essential element…the Happy Ending.

    Don Stewart

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