#264: The soufflé economy

AT THE LIMITS OF SELF-DECEPTION

Imagine – it couldn’t happen, but imagine – that Congress agreed that it wouldn’t impose a future debt ceiling if the administration promised henceforth to balance the budget. To do this, somewhere between USD 1.6 trillion and USD 2.0 trillion, depending how we calculate it, would have to be pulled out of the budget – taxes would have to rise, public expenditures would have to fall, or a combination of both.

Likewise, and equally impossibly, the Fed committed itself to maintaining interest rates, in perpetuity, at positive real (ex-inflation) levels.

Under these imaginary conditions, capitalism would, at least in part, be restored, because one of the two essential predicates of market capitalism is that investors earn a real return on their capital. (The other is that markets are allowed the unfettered capacity for price discovery, meaning they can put a price on risk). It’s likely that these processes would help tame inflation, thereby defending the value – meaning the purchasing power – of the dollar.

The point of this fictional scenario is that, if it happened, American real GDP would contract, and would carry on doing so for as long as balanced budgets and positive real rates prevailed. Put another way, there would be no growth at all – rather, there would be negative growth – if government was prevented from piling up yet more debt through deficit budgeting, whilst households and businesses could no longer finance expenditures by borrowing at sub-inflation rates.

Then turn to China. Roughly a quarter of the Chinese economy is accounted for by real estate. Much of the real estate sector has been exposed as a scam, a Ponzi scheme, or both. There’s no other way to describe a sector that takes people’s money for homes that haven’t yet been built, and that might never be completed, as part of a broader, gigantic debt binge that has brought much of the sector to the brink of collapse.

The point of this is that, behind the veils of financial camouflage, the global economy has started to shrink. “Growth” has become a story we tell ourselves to keep the economic nightmares at bay. Orthodox economics it itself a fairy-tale, in which the protagonists, instead of “living happily ever after”, enjoy ‘infinite economic growth on a finite planet’.

 

Looking down the barrel

The reality is staring us in the face – “growth”, whether in America, China or anywhere else – has become sleight-of-hand. If you look for real growth – growth, that is, not manufactured using super-rapid debt and quasi-debt expansion, itself enabled by sub-inflation interest rates – you won’t find it anywhere. Behind various schemes in which the speed of the hand deceives the eye, the global economy has inflected from growth into contraction.

Let’s remind ourselves about the two ways in which money is created. First, it can be conjured out of the ether by central banks. Second, most of it is loaned into existence by the banking system. Regulation is one check on the latter, and the need for collateral is the other. Lenders won’t hand you $1m on your word alone, but will if you can show them an asset which guarantees your ability to honour at least part of your new obligation.

But this is circular, because asset prices, which provide this collateral, are an inverse function of the cost and availability of capital. Accordingly, a credit mountain must create a super-bubble in asset prices, and vice versa.

The medium of control, if indeed there really is one, is interest rates. If these are set at levels below inflation, borrowing becomes profitable. This incentive drives both credit and asset values upwards, with the latter appearing to provide a collateral guarantee for the former. We can, supposedly, be comfortable about adding $X trillion to our debt pile if we’ve also added $X trillion to the collateral value of assets.

But these aggregate asset valuations are no more than notional. At the national level, the aggregate ‘value’ of a country’s housing stock is meaningless, because the only people to whom the entirety of that stock could ever be sold are the same people to whom it already belongs. Globally, the same principle applies to stocks, bonds and other asset classes. This principle is that we deceive ourselves when we apply marginal transaction prices to the aggregates of existing assets.

There are, in fact, two main ways in which assets can be valued. One is the price which the owner could realise by selling the asset to somebody else. The other is utility value – on this basis, a property has value in that it provides the owner with somewhere to live, saving him or her from having to pay rent. The utility value of a stock is the value that will come to the owner in the future, through dividends but, ultimately, through profits.

There is no way that current stock or property values could be justified on a utility basis, even if the economy was still capable of growth. In short, what we have is a confection – you might liken it to a soufflé – in which an excessive credit burden is backed up by inflated asset values which are themselves a function of over-extended credit.

 

The sleight-of-hand of ‘output’

Moreover, when we pour credit into the economy, this money is spent, which is what it’s for. This shows up as transactional activity, which is what we measure as GDP.

The direct functional relationship between credit and the transactional activity (recorded as GDP) can be measured.

Over the past twenty years, each $1 of “growth” in reported real GDP has been accompanied by $3.20 of net new borrowing, and even that ratio excludes broader liability increases which include the “shadow banking” (NBFI) sector. Buying $1 of “growth” by borrowing and spending upwards of $3.20 is self-deluding fakery, pure and simple.

Beyond being simply unsustainable, it leads us to the paradoxical condition of being both wealthy and bankrupt. We’d be wealthy because the paper value of our assets would have soared, and simultaneously bankrupt because our debts would be so big that they could never be repaid.

GDP, meanwhile, is inflated artificially by the pouring of ever more credit into the economy. Since money can (and routinely does) change hands without value being added, there is no correlation between transactional GDP and the creation of material economic value. And, if GDP losses its validity as a measure of output, so do all metrics based upon it. This means that the ratio of debt to GDP becomes unreliable, and we can’t effectively measure the velocity of money.

The same fakery at the heart of reported “growth” is all around us. Some jurisdictions are thinking about super-long mortgages, which could spread the cost of house purchase to, and beyond, the average person’s working life. This amounts to a confession that the ratio between property prices and disposable incomes has become dysfunctional. We can’t admit this, though, because doing so would crash property markets, blowing a gigantic hole in the supposed value of collateral.

The business model de jour is the garnering of consumers’ information in order to flog it to advertisers so they can offer the same products to the same people, a model which adds no real economic value at all.

Another gambit is that of reducing costs by casualizing labour through ‘gig’ employment and zero-hours contracts. These workers, at least, aren’t going to be increasing their purchases of advertised products, or ‘signing up’ to those subscriptions which the same business model portrays as a way of generating valuable new streams of income from the household sector.

Corporates use cheap debt to buy back stock in a process that, far from being accretive to value, provides the sugar-rush of a brief rise in stock prices whilst saddling businesses with ever larger burdens of debt, thereby making them increasingly vulnerable to any shift away from sub-inflation interest rates.

The blanket term for all of this, and more, is gimmickry. This has a lengthening and dishonourable history. It began, back in the 1990s, with making debt easier to access than ever before – seldom did a day pass without credit offers padding the mail-box of the Western householder. Then, when this process of “credit adventurism” detonated in 2008-09, we switched to outright “monetary adventurism”, essentially subsidising credit by setting the real cost of capital at negative levels.

Doing this has put the value of money itself at hazard. We have thrown, first, the viability of the banking system and, second, the sustainability of our currencies themselves, under the wheels of an unstoppable juggernaut. The name painted on the side of that juggernaut is ‘inflexion’, meaning that the economic growth of the past is turning into the economic contraction of the present and future.

Where this all ends is predictable, at least in part. The super-fast money creation scheme fails, asset prices plunge, and defaults rip through the system.

Publicly-reported debt, both state and private, is a huge understatement of the true magnitude of liabilities, which include both the credit assets of the “shadow banking” system and the can’t-be-honoured pension promises which governments have made to the public. NBFI lending is a horror-story of its own, with a sizeable part of this credit channelled to households through BNPL and other non-bank forms of credit.

 

The truth that mustn’t be told

Indeed, BNPL – ‘buy now, pay later’ – is as good a moniker as any for an economy clinging on to unaffordable lifestyles, and reporting cosmetic (meaning ‘fake’) growth, by ramping up financial promises that cannot possibly be honoured.

The inevitable (though not necessarily imminent) destination of all this self-delusion is a collapse of the financial soufflé. Debts and quasi-debts become unpayable out of material economic flow, and the supposed insurance provided by collateral disappears as asset prices collapse.

All of this, by the way, is happening at the same time as ‘global warming’ is, according to some, turning into ‘global boiling’. The latter term might, or might not, be somewhat hyperbolic, but our environmental and ecological predicament is dire, and we’re now getting the wildfires, heatwaves and floods to prove it. There’s no net positive in any of this – the possibility of successful viticulture in a warming England comes with creeping salination of a large and increasing proportion of rice-producing low-lying lands.

To say that a re-think is in order would be one of the greatest under-statements of all time. I’ve never believed that this site, and others like it, are going to change the climate of opinion. Collectively, people do what suits them, until they are forced by events into responses that we would never choose of our own volition.

Rather, and beyond the value of knowledge for its own sake, the best that we can hope for is that we ourselves can understand what’s happening before others, including decision-makers in the higher echelons of government and business, arrive at the same conclusions.

Those behaviour-changing events are now starting to happen. The promise of ‘infinite economic growth’ is in the process of being exposed as fictional, and this ought to turn us away from the fairy-tale economics which has always assured us of this impossible outcome. The equally fictitious notion that “growth” will enable us to honour our gargantuan debts and quasi-debts is heading into a reality wall.

Two things could happen to government, and both might happen at the same time. The first is that states take sweeping new powers in an attempt to control events that are getting out of hand. The second is a growth of localism as the public loses faith in any supposed ‘solutions’ coming from the centre.

The core problem facing governments is that they’re being called on their unwise promises. The promise of unending growth is being exposed as fallacious, and the promise of an equitable sharing out of this growth is no longer honoured in anything but name. The old agenda has failed, and the powers-that-be have yet to find a new one to put in its place.

 

Life after soufflé?

We, if not governments, need to remind ourselves that there’s a core of nutritional substance at the heart of even the most inflated culinary confection. Here, in the economy, is what this core comprises.

For starters, the fundamental purpose of the economy is to supply material products and services to society. The physical or “real” economy does this by using energy to convert raw materials into products.

As this happens, a parallel thermal process involves the conversion of energy from dense to diffuse formats. The latter is waste heat and, when fossil fuels are used as the dense energy inputs to the system, this waste-heat contains climate-harming gases.

This energy-material process is driven by a cycle of creation, disposal and replacement – we acquire something, it wears out, and we need to obtain a new one to take its place. Our current economic system accelerates this disposal process, meaning that the material economy is a dissipative-landfill system.

At the same time, the length of the energy-dissipative process determines the size of the productive process. If we switch to lesser-density energy inputs, the dissipative process is truncated, and the material economy is smaller.

The assertion that we can transition from climate-harming oil, natural gas and coal to “green” wind and solar energy without the economy shrinking is based on the assumption that these renewables are, or can be made, as dense as fossil fuels. The only flies in this ointment are the lesser density of renewables, and the inability of technology to over-rule the laws of physics.

The bad news, then, is that financial soufflé is nearing collapse. The good news, if we choose to see it as such, is that the “financial economy” has reached this point because of comparatively gradual, but relentless, contraction in the underlying “real economy” of energy.

This could be “good news” because it might impose upon us environmentally-responsible behavioural changes which we might never get round to making on a voluntary basis.

 

Tim Morgan

 

120 thoughts on “#264: The soufflé economy

  1. “The only flies in this ointment are the lesser density of renewables, and the inability of technology to over-rule the laws of physics.”

    The inability of political will to over-rule the laws of physics hasn’t helped either.

    Can’t wait to find out how much higher our real estate tax bill is going to be next year. We are just getting a handle on how the new “conservation” rules affect our tax bill.

    Mark

  2. Dr. Morgan,
    Thank you again. I keep reading your posts looking for insight for places to put savings. I know you do not provide investment advice and I’m really not asking. Over the years of reading, unfortunately, I feel like there is no place to hide. Everything looks like trying to catch a falling knife.
    So many things have doubled in price over the last 4 yrs. and their is zero discussion about true inflation rates. If inflation is even the correct term, perhaps purchasing power destruction or currency destruction.
    So I have a few questions for you. If you had to choose a metric to measure against what would it be? BTU comes to mind. Does the value of a BTU also rise with it’s expense of extraction?
    I feel like I should buy a 10,000 gallon fuel tank and fill it with something.

    • Thanks, and I share your feelings.

      First of all, I’ve held various investment positions, and enjoyed almost all of them. I might well go back into that, who knows. But in that capacity I learned the importance of regulation. Apart from anything else, advice must be suited to the client’s circumstances – what one might recommend for a high-leverage fund or for what used to be called “widows and orphans” would be very different.

      I think you’re right that there’s no place to hide, but some places might be less bad than others.

      The physical value of a BTU doesn’t change with the cost of supplying it (though taxes on producers are often price-connected). Variability concerns location, and type of energy.

      Your 10,000 gallon fuel tank could only be filled with liquid fuel, I think. But in many places there are safety rules about this. Years ago, when British gasoline supplies were restricted by transport strikes, one clown filled his bath with fuel, and one woman who had only filled up a mile or two back pulled into the next filling station and topped up her tank to the value of £0.13.

    • In my area, it is legal to own a 1000 gallon gasoline tank if you are a “farmer”. I am filling it, because of the troubles in Israel. Its just a small hedge against gasoline price rises, but I think it is a good investment.

      Even in an insulated tank, in a cold area the gas* will not be good forever. Any time it gets warm, some volatiles are lost. In my area with a couple inches of foam insulation, the gas should be good for 4-5 years.

      * should i say petrol? 😉

    • Investing almost feels like the easy part. But then, when the stakes are so high and this situation blows up, what the governments’ response is going to be? We’ve been told western democracies are the bee’s knees. In Europe you cannot go to the “digital townsquare” to discuss a piece of news of a Russian affiliated media. That right is being withheld for our own good. Goes without saying whether you want to read what the Russian government publishes is beside the point.

      That’s just one of many examples of what we’re seeing from our great western democracies lately.

      I don’t really want to post anything political here, but I think that consideration wholly belongs in the investment discussion.

    • Churchill said that democracy was the worst kind of system, except for any other system that had ever been tried. For me, the US Constitution isn’t invalidated by the mess that politicians have made of things.

      But these are circumstances without modern precedent. We’ve had recessions, we’ve had depressions, but we’ve never experienced inflexion from growth into contraction. Orthodox economists are assuring leaderships that this can’t happen, and leaders choose to believe this, despite accumulating evidence to the contrary, some of which I’ve addressed in this article. A theme here is that there’s no real growth anywhere.

  3. There is no reason why the Fed could not buy most all Treasury paper, forever. Japan has been there for years and the Fed too took around 85% of Treasury borrowing* from 09 through 21. Did anyone complain? Not really, everyone loves money, left, right, center.

    The reason they don’t just come out and say they will is because it would be embarrassing. The foundation of modern national Central Banks was the promise to not fund most government debt. As if anyone cares now. Nobody cares now, it’s “Show me the Money Jerry”. There is no way they will let embarrassment prevent them from saving the system.

    *The Fed bought huge amounts of mortgage paper in lieu of Treasury’s which on a systematic basis served the same purpose, creating credit/money. The whole mortgage buying operation simply being a fig leaf to mask it’s funding of the government.

    • Yes, the BoJ spent years monetising debt, ending up owning more than half of all JGBs in existence. But this meant that there was no real market in JGBs. Neither this nor anything else has injected growth into the Japanese economy. SEEDS shows Japanese prosperity per capita falling ever since 1997. Japan has got away with this, so far anyway, because markets trust the JPY. If the UK, for instance, tried this, GBP would crash. Even the US reached limits recognised as such by the Fed, hence QT.

      Monetising debt risks destroying faith in the currency. This was why supporters of QE tried to tell us it wasn’t the same as “printing money”, and was simply a “balance sheet operation”, and wouldn’t create inflation (just look at asset prices and, latterly, headline inflation, to see how untrue that was).

  4. Could the recent machinations against Iran be an attempt to grab their oil resources? America makes lots of gasoline, but not enough diesel, which makes the world go round.

    • Your question reminds me of the idea that the Iraq war was an oil grab – though buying Iraq’s oil would have cost far less.

      Seriously, I doubt if the US thinks it could grab Iran’s oil – even Venezuela would be easier!

      The hostility between Iran and the US goes all the way back to the Tehran embassy hostages, and relations have never been good since the revolution. Many radical Iranians thought that the previous regime was an American puppet. The US then equipped and perhaps financed Iraq, and probably provided critical intelligence, during the long war with Iran.

      As I read it, Iran wants to poke America, but not to the point of provoking war. Iran’s economy is in a dire situation, and I assume there’s extensive popular discontent. This would explain why Iran uses other organisations as proxies.

      If I’m wrong, then the Straits become a war zone, tanker insurance becomes prohibitive even if the Straits aren’t blocked, oil supply crashes, the price rockets and we’re in a 1973-style economic crisis. “Don’t start a war unless you know you can win it” applies to both the US and Iran.

      The markets aren’t pricing in these sorts of fears. That’s significant, though markets have been known to be wrong on these big calls. The big economic difference between now and ’73 is vastly greater financial leverage, and an economy that’s inflecting into contraction. I mention this because the economy did, eventually, recover from ’73 – I doubt if that could happen now.

    • Dr Tim, in relation to Venezuela, the US has very recently removed the sanctions on oil for a ‘trial’ period tied to something about the next election.

      I’m sure the US needing the heavy oil from there to shandy with the light tight fracked oil and make a lot more diesel, never entered the minds of the pollies that removed these sanctions. It’s all about democracy, just like in Saudi Arabia… Oh, um … never mind..
      (sarc off)
      https://ofac.treasury.gov/media/932241/download?inline

    • It seems to me the US is looking to expand the war to include Iran.

      With BRICS adding Iran and Saudi Arabia to their ranks the US realizes that is an existential threat to US hegemony and must be stopped. And since the US spends over a trillion dollars on its giant “war hammer” this situation makes Iran look like a nail.

      It seems that the US is putting a lot of military equipment and personal in the area, two aircraft carrier groups are already there and there may be two more on the way. The US has also been doing a massive air lift of military equipment (50 plane loads of equipment in one day )

      I expect an incident that will “justify” a war against Iran will happen once all the military equipment and troops are in place. (maybe a month??)

      (i really hope i am wrong, because this will be a disaster)

    • I can’t know what the US is planning, but an all-out war with Iran would be an utter disaster, and I’m sure the military top brass know it. Iran could not, of course, ‘defeat’ the US militarily, but the US could not ‘win’ a war against Iran.

      Saudi, Iran and the UAE joining BRICS is something I’ve raised here before. These nations’ membership adds hugely to the heft that BRICS carries in its pushback against dollar hegemony. The loss of dollar status is one of the very few things that no adminstration could allow to happen.

    • “America makes lots of gasoline, but not enough diesel, which makes the world go round.”

      this error is very common, for whatever reason.

      US refinery output includes about 5 mbpd of diesel, and the US then exports about 1.3 mbpd of diesel because “we” only use about 3.7 mbpd internally.

      this is enabled by US imports of about 4 mbpd of HEAVY oil from Canada.

      fyi: Canada has grown to #4 in the world in oil production at about 6 mbpd.

      VZ has vast heavy oil reserves which I’m sure the US would be willing to “buy” when Canadian production declines.

      real accurate facts help to understand the world.

    • Unless ‘policy’ has changed?
      “By the time you got to the first Bush administration, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they came out with a national defense policy and strategic policy. What they basically said is that we’re going to have wars against what they called much weaker enemies and these have to be carried out quickly and decisively or else there will be embarrassment—a way of saying that popular reaction is going to set in. And that’s the way it’s been. It’s not pretty, but it’s some kind of constraint.” ?
      https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/03/noam-chomsky-populist-groundswell-u-s-elections-future-humanity.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capitalism%29

    • Defence thinking had, by the late 1990s, evolved on the basis of American experiences in Vietnam and, more recently, what had happened to the USSR in Afghanistan. Nobody wanted to get bogged down in long-drawn-out conflicts.

      The British defence White Paper at the time put the view very clearly – forces would be structured for power projection, mainly with strikes from carriers and cruise missiles from subs, and protracted ground intervention was pretty much ruled out (until the Iraq war, of course).

      The US, with its wider interests, couldn’t go quite this far, but quick strikes, based on equipment rather than manpower, were emphasised. It was a bit like blitzkreig, but without the soldiers and tanks.

      It didn’t turn out that way in Iraq………..

    • “That is why I believe that the real aim of this build-up is to finally ‘regime change’ Syria and to kick out the Russian forces who are there to support its government. “?

      https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/us-deploys-large-force-eyes-on-syria.html#more

      “US forces continue blatant looting of Syrian oil, ‘exposing gangster nature’ “?
      https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202209/1274786.shtml

      “US occupation troops steal wheat from Syria to send to Iraq
      In addition to stealing Syrian wheat supplies, the US military has also been stealing
      Syrian oil”?
      https://thecradle.co/article-view/11996

  5. No one has figured out how a democracy will voluntarily lower its standard of living – which in our case is underpinned by fossil fuels. We’re swimming in a sea of energy, as one author put it. A barrel of oil provides 4.5 YEARS of physical labor and sells for under $100.
    The inventive financial manipulations, are just that as “Dr. Tim” says.
    We really don’t have a choice. Let’s go with necessity and see what happens.

    • yes oil is still cheap. The oil price plateau from 2011-2014 inflation adjusted is in the $120 to $140 range.

      and the world is producing 3 BILLION gallons of black goo crude per day.

      we’re “treading water” in that sea of energy.

    • It’s so easy you have to wonder why it’s not done, and once you figure that out, you’ll understand why we’re going to collapse.

  6. I’m reminded of the line from a Jimmy Bufffet song; ‘I dunno where I’m a gonna go when the volcano blows’. We are facing a polycrisis, an equilateral triangle with three very sharp corners; financial, ecological and geopolitical. Any one of the three is known in systems thinking circles as a ‘wicked problem’, but the three are interconnected, interrelated and interdependent which raises them to a ‘super-wicked’ level. Problem is that the human brain is not really wired to deal with complexity or with risk perceived as being in the future: we didn’t deal with the sabre-toothed tiger until his head was well inside the cave and he’d eaten grandma and a couple of the kids.

    Fortunately the post-growth/degrowth movement is gathering momentum at local levels which is where systemic change is going to have to begin. I’m might be worth exploring what types of governance and organizational models are best suited to catalyzing these changes?

    • Indeed it is. We can only hope to make sense of this if we look at the interconnected issues of the energy economy, the environment and the financial economy. I know I’ve concentrated on financial issues in this article, but I felt that the fakery of ‘growth’ was something we needed to discuss.

      I’ve been giving some thought to localism, a logical response to some of the systems breakdowns that we’re likely to experience.

      ‘Volcano’ is the great title track from a superb album by JB, who is very much missed by so many of us.

    • I appreciate your emphasis on fake growth, as getting people to understand this is critical to them accepting the need for change. It’s not easy: when I show people your analysis I’m often met with outright hostility and a dismissive, ´you’re just a doom & gloom merchant’.

      The attached link is a long and detailed look at the polycrisis and potential paths forward…

      View at Medium.com

    • “I appreciate your emphasis on fake growth, as getting people to understand this is critical to them accepting the need for change. It’s not easy: when I show people your analysis I’m often met with outright hostility and a dismissive, ´you’re just a doom & gloom merchant’.”

      well, are you?

      it looks like you are in Canada, one of the most resource rich countries in the world. Surely other smaller weaker countries will be falling one by one over the coming years, but Canada could have a few more decades with at least some prosperity above bare essential levels.

      how little time are you suggesting to people?

      and, have you been surprised that the system hasn’t failed yet?

      in other words, up to now, have you been wrong?

      “the need for change” will come in its own time.

      I agree with the general idea that change will be forced upon people eventually down the road in a span of years if not decades, and most won’t willingly make any changes now, since humans discount the future, and because of recency bias and normalcy bias almost no one is going to see the need to downsize their lifestyles in advance.

    • dmjylw, David,

      I’ve always drawn a distinction between alarming and alarmist. I hope I’ve shown how much of modern growth is cosmetic, meaning faked, either intentionally or unintentionally.

      It’s true that people often don’t want to hear about this stuff, and I respect that choice. Yet there are many who happily buy into far-fetched conspiracy theories and yet reject reasoned, statistical explanations of why growth has been reversing into contraction.

      I really don’t think that our arguments are hard to follow or accept. Debt has grown at least 3x as fast as GDP. Our global debts, stated at real values from respectable data sources, have become unsustainable. Pricing capital at sub-inflation levels spells desperation. Energy has a cost, that cost is rising, and renewables aren’t going to solve this. The real costs of energy-intensive essentials, including food, water and housing, are rising.

      There seems to me very little that is actually controversial in this. Unpalatable, yes, but not inconsistent with evidence and experience.

    • and no offense intended, but I personally have very low regard for what the psychowoketards at the UN have to say.

    • @drtimmorgan I agree that the facts you present are clear and should not be seen as controversial. However, we live in an age of group think where anything that challenges the accepted status quo is seen as a threat. It reminds me of the old story of the little boy who finally called out , “The Emperor has no clothes!” The truth of what he was saying was abundantly clear, but the populace had been bamboozled into rejecting the evidence for fear of upsetting the status quo and its power.

      Whether as the little boy, or Dorothy and her friends exposing the fakery of the Wizard of Oz, we need to keep presenting the evidence and pushing for change.

  7. Thank You again Dr. Morgan.
    So much of your essay today, and so many of the questions and comments point to assumptions which do not correspond to the changing physical reality.Investing has long provided something for nothing as part of the arrangement to those with excess financial capital.
    Shedding that assumption, assuming that you might “invest” in an energy efficient small house and a large garden, which you will work yourself, until you cannot, does not seem like an approach people are ready to consider.
    It still requires energy-slaves, but it is a thing I have been doing in recent years. The little Honda mower uses gasoline, but I push it around the 3/4 acre, and prune the trees I planted, and tend the large garden I dug and amended and keep drip-watered.
    I ride a bike most days.
    Investing in things that can be stolen may not work, but armies have always left the potatoes in the ground when they took the wheat and cattle.

    • Thanks John, and those preparations make sense.

      Part of the problem is that each discipline – finance, economics, climate science – is in its own silo, with each perforce having to accept what they’re told by the others outside their own area of specialisation. I’m going to try to put this interconnectedness and its dysfunctions into an article, if I can find a way of doing so with brevity.

    • > armies have always left the potatoes in the ground when they took the wheat and cattle.

      Is this supposed to be a metaphor? If not, where did you get this idea from? They do indeed take the potatoes. Source: An Austrian farmer who lived through WWII.

    • Potatoes during wartime, from the American Revolution forward, are the topic of this article: How Did Potatoes Become Political in Wartime?
      https://www.historyhit.com/how-did-potatoes-become-political-in-wartime/

      Potatoes have mainly been used to feed civilians during war, though also added to military diets, when readily available, as a source of calories.

      There was certainly widespread starvation in Germany and Austria from late 1943 on, and if an Austrian man says German soldiers dug potatoes up in those days, I would believe him. It would clearly be the exception, and due to an immobilized and starving army, not an army on the move, needing light and concentrated rations.

    • Potatoes, and their close cousins Jerusalem Artichokes, can easily be disguised in the ground when the stalks and leaves have been cut. They can stay in the ground over the winter months, and J Artichokes even taste better after they have been exposed to a frost.

  8. “Two things could happen to government, and both might happen at the same time. The first is that states take sweeping new powers in an attempt to control events that are getting out of hand. The second is a growth of localism as the public loses faith in any supposed ‘solutions’ coming from the centre.”

    There is a third possibility, or reality, because it is already happening and has been accelerating ever since the Nixon Shock in 1971, which deliberately severed the link between the financial economy and the real economy.

    It was this removal of constraints on the volume of money and debt that the banking system could summon out of thin air that completely changed the way the global economic and political system operated, and set it up as a world destroying machine. It allowed the privately-owned and elite-controlled global financial-corporate system to amass wealth and power at the expense of all the nations in the world.

    This systematic transfer of control over the system from nations to elites is why we are currently unable to effectively address the set of crises that are driving the unraveling of human civilisation. Letting the banks do whatever they want, and pretending that central banks could remotely control their volume of lending by setting cash rates, is what is driving us and the economy over the edge of the abyss.

    So, we might very well expect the expansion of autocratic national governments, in order to enforce civil order as voluntary social contracts become impossible for nation states to deliver to their people, because of the increasing expense and scarcity of essential and discretionary goods and services. We might also foresee the expansion of control over public policy at the local level, as an attempt to maintain civil order over the community, for exactly the same reason.

    But what we really must understand is that we actually live under a system of control and repression of the population, ruled by the elites and the global corporations and financial behemoths they command and use to wield unaccountable power over nation states. As goods and services become ever more scarce, we should really expect the future to involve increasingly overt power over the people by the financial-corporate system, and for nation states to become increasingly irrelevant and inconsequential.

    We should expect corporate-controlled consumer-fascism laid bare, no longer hidden by an elaborate network of false narratives, which are easily swallowed by easily duped populations.

    It will become very clear to every human that governments have no power to control the global corporations, or to ensure a social order that suits anyone except for the elites themselves. This reality of the powerlessness of the people will be as undeniable to people everywhere as it is to the people of Gaza right now.

    Public policy that unleashes chaos and misery on populations for the sake of corporate profits will become the norm. It is already the norm across parts of the developing world where corporations coerce governments into giving them access to rich resources. Most of us in the West are well-conditioned not to understand this grim reality, and not to particularly care.

    If we wish to prevent or delay a catastrophic collapse, or to wish like hell that there might be enough of global systems left standing in the wake of a financial system collapse that we can build something from the wreckage, we really must start from the presumption that there are no nation states, at least not real ones, and the battle will inevitably be fought by all powerful corporations, against essentially defenceless and dependent human beings.

    To the corporations, civil chaos is neither here nor there, and not their responsibility, except to the point where it interrupts the amassing of wealth and power. Misery and suffering and the destruction of the natural world are just collateral damage, easily justified in the pursuit of profit.

    I think the presumption that governments will always be available to protect citizens and the natural world from corporate self interest is very dangerous, and profoundly naive. Either we start with a transition plan to a lower energy consumption economy, one that is acceptable to the elites and governments alike, or we lose all leverage when the crash comes, and the corporations will not even have a framework within which to act humanely or sustainably.

  9. An excellent post that illustrates how far the financial system has overshot the real economy.

    The problem with the Chinese real estate sector is that even if a magical new energy source were discovered tomorrow, demographics would still result in collapse of their real estate sector. A system based on rising asset prices is bound to fail if the working age population is shrinking. This has been happening in China for fifteen years, in Japan since the mid 90s and is now a reality for all of the western world as well. Even India has birthrates beneath replacement level. Energy is not the only input that is collapsing.

    • it’s entered my vocabulary, I’d only just got my head around trillions!
      but you make a salient point, our vocabulary is struggling to keep up with the inflation of numbers,
      when I was a kid, being a millionaire was a big deal, now it’s the price of a large house in a nice area,
      we went from millionaires, to multi millionaires, to billionaires, when we get to quadrillionaires I don’t think the money in our pockets will have much purchasing power left.

  10. British police arrested a man for posting a video on social media complaining about the Palestinian flags that have been going up in his neighborhood.

    It always makes me laugh when socialist television people talk about ‘British values’ and how much better this place is than China or Iran because of all of the ‘freedoms’ we have.  I think what is remarkable about the comparison between Britain and China is how similar they really are.  In neither place do you really have any freedom of speech, or any privacy.

    Fun fact: If British police raid your home and find a sum of money greater than £1000, they can take it.  To get it back, you have to explain where you got it from and if they aren’t satisfied, they can keep it.

    They can ask to show them where the money came from to buy your car.  If you cannot show them, they can take your car.  If they find a sword in your house, they can confiscate it.  If they find a gun or taser, you go to prison, just for having it in your house.  You don’t need to commit a crime with it.  You are a criminal just for having it.  If they find Nazi symbols or literature that could be considered ‘hateful’ you can be arrested.  Just for owning it.  They can confiscate your computer, mobile phone and personal possessions.  They can ask you for the password for your phone and if you don’t provide it, you are a charged with terror offences.  You can go to prison for saying something or posting online something that someone doesn’t like or finds disrespectful.  They have armies of trolls, searching facebook and twitter for anyone that posts things they don’t like.

    Welcome to ‘Free and Democratic’ Britain.  So much better than China.  It is actually one of the most oppressive places on Earth.  Television people never miss an opportunity to tell the world how free and democratic it is.  I think mainly because they know full well that it is the opposite and denying reality is easier than facing the truth.  It is as bad as anything that George Orwell could have dreamed up.

  11. https://howtosavetheworld.ca/2023/11/01/an-objective-is-not-a-strategy/

    Where we actually are right now is that the “leader of the free world” is all about spending money to make sure that “our” side kills more of the people on the other side of the “not our side” divide. I consider it a sad day when Donald Trump is one of the few voices in the US talking sense about Ukraine. It’s hard to find anyone in the US talking sense about what used to be Palestine.

    A few days ago, Albert Bates (Peak Surfer), posted a map depicting those areas of Central America which are being severely disrupted by climate change. A huge number of subsistence farmers are being driven off the land…and are desperately moving north.

    But maybe more razor wire and bigger military budgets are the answer??? Maybe trillions of dollars in budget deficits will further the cause of “peace”??? Maybe “guns and butter” will work better this time than it has worked in the past???

    Maybe shoring up our ability to kill people will help us with our declining ability to use energy to put band-aids on festering problems???
    Don Stewart

    • Mr. T has suggested to his followers in the House of Representatives that any help for Ukraine be separated from help for Israel. If they are voted on separately, there is a good chance that the “unlimited funding for more war in Ukraine” will fail.

      Don Stewart

    • @Dr. Morgan
      I don’t keep up with Mr. T’s comments from day to day. I did read early on that he blames the Israel/ Hamas war on Biden. Mr. T said that he knew all of the combatants and would have brought them together to resolve the issues. Again, I don’t follow the issues closely, but I understand that one of the issues was when Netanyahu encouraged behavior which the Muslims considered profanation of holy sites in Jerusalem. This led to firing rockets, which led to….

      As for a UN sponsored vote for either Russia or Ukraine. Russia has performed a partition of the country. The people now treated by Russia as members of the Russian federation all voted to become part of Russia. There is no necessity that everyone in the former boundaries of Ukraine choose to become part of Russia. In fact, I’m pretty sure that Russia would not want a bunch of people who don’t want to be Russian forced upon them. Partitions have worked well in a number of cases…and they are cheap and don’t require killing people. In this case, however, they would do enormous damage to Mr. Biden’s self-image.
      Don Stewart

    • I’m afraid that calling for sanity only enrages the insane further,

      “If you can keep your head when all about you
      Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,”

  12. Tim, presumably Trump favours not spending another $61 billion on a war of attrition which is now a horrendous stalemate. I visited Verdun last week and it was a graphic reminder of the ghastliness of such situations. Todesmuehle as the Germans described it. Trump may not be nice but it is hard to disagree….and the US is in any case bust.

    The “independent” and no doubt very expensive Covid enquiry is unlikely to ask searching questions that would rock the establishment boat. The judge and the supercilious lawyers (at least one is an Etonian) seem to have made that clear. The economic, medical, social and educational disasters of lockdowns are off the agenda. The time is much better spent pearl-clutching over Whatsapp profanities, denouncing Brexit and telling us how awful Boris Johnson is (no doubt true). In any case, wasn’t it all Liz Truss’ fault?

    • Opponents might argue that $61bn isn’t vast with US GDP of $25 trillion. These entrenched wars – well, any wars, of course – are horrendous. Would it be impossible for the UN (say) to hold a referendum, asking citizens if they want to be Ukrainean or Russian? Yes, probably impossible.

      I’ve watched parts of the enquiry, and I’ve been shocked but not surprised. The language has been awful – I was taught that a resort to crude words is the sign of someone with a limited vocabulary. From what I’ve seen so far, none of these people seem “fit to run a whelk stall” – yet these are the same people imposing ever greater restrictions on liberties.

      *Just to remind everyone: in general – I’m making an exception here – both the pandemic and the war in Ukraine are off-topic here, regrettably, but otherwise we risk getting conspiracy theorists distracting from our energy-economics-finance focus

  13. I’m not surprised at the bad language. It’s human nature and no different to the Alastair Campbell/Iraq War era or any other crisis management situation…..apart from the fact that it is now all on social media. General Montgomery and Marshal Foch were flawed people….and no doubt swore profusely at/about their colleagues….but not on Whatsapp.

    Hence the faux indignation of the lawyers looks pathetic.

    Of course the whole episode was a shambles (see above) but the enquiry is not going to ask any probing questions which might disturb the Narrative. It’s all about taxpayer-funded point scoring.

    • Very interesting link, strongly recommended, thank you.

      This resonated with me!:

      “The economy is seen as a self-renewing, perpetual-motion merry-go-round set in a vacuum”.

    • Oh it’s a vacuum alright, just not the kind in a physics lab but the kind we think of as a hoover. It sucks up everything and exhausts hot air. As always thank you for your hard work!

    • “William Nordhaus, who turned 82 this year, was the first economist in our time to attempt to quantify the cost of climate change.”

      severe weather has been destroying food crops and human shelters since the dawn of humans.

      the costs of natural severe weather have always far far FAR exceeded the costs of any human activities.

      (off topic, as far as I can see, only global nuclear war would exceed natural severe weather.)

      did this “wizard” calculate the costs of natural occurrences?

      I suppose I could go ahead and read the thing to see what he claims.

      I’m off to see the wizard…

    • okay so obviously this economist Nordhaus is out of touch with reality, but it would be a logical fallacy that his critics then must be correct about everything.

      I’m familiar with Daly and Keen, whose thinking coheres with SEE articles.

      what kept jumping out at me was the frequent use of the word “could”, this tipping point could happen this century, that tipping point could too, could this, could that.

      quite unconvincing statements from them, that these tipping points might happen this century, which means it’s open that they also might not.

      one specific thing: the author quotes a source about recent food production decline, then fails to provide accurate up to date data on actual 2022 or 2023 world food production.

      IF it’s down, then show the data.

      I’ll also mention this beauty:

      “This is a horrific prospect. Earth systems analysts tell us that habitable and cultivable land in a 3 to 4 degrees Celsius warming regime would be so reduced and ecosystem services so battered that the deaths of billions of people could occur in the next eight decades or less.”

      oh no, everybody, “scientists” say that billions of us “could” die within the next 80 years!

      whoa, I am shocked.

  14. Tipping Points and Complex Systems and Complex Adaptive Systems

    Complex systems are inherently unpredictable. Add in a little lack of data or lack of understanding on our part and the unpredictable becomes even more unpredictable.

    Then, assume for the sake of argument, that humans have some small amount of free will. That is, they may sense that “this way leads to disaster” and choose to adapt and go in a more promising direction. Then the unpredictable becomes the unpredictable squared or cubed.

    As one example, the Maximum Power Principle is a time-honored convention. But it is just a convention. Some humans have turned their backs on it and pursued quieter and more spiritually fulfilling options…such as the people in Benedictine monasteries.

    As I mentioned in a previous post, Michael Easter chose a visit to a Benedictine monastery in New Mexico to conclude his trips around the world examining different ways people have chosen to adapt to reality. So it’s not impossible…but most of us think it is unlikely…that humanity might suddenly shift its course.

    A not improbably scenario is that global nuclear war will cause a nuclear winter which will obliterate most, or all, human life on the planet. No respectable scientist would claim that they absolutely know whether or not the complex adaptive system with humans in charge will go one way or the other.

    Don Stewart

    • “So it’s not impossible…but most of us think it is unlikely…that humanity might suddenly shift its course.”

      I completely agree with this, though I would word it as extremely unlikely.

      the Benedictine example highlights how extremely unlikely, that so few humans can intellectually overwrite their embedded evolved human nature to desire and seek after maximum daily resources.

      I’m sensing that maybe it’s becoming a consensus here that the shift to a downsizing consumer behavior will gradually be forced upon most people by the degrowth economy, and voluntary downsizing will continue to be as rare as Benedictines.

      so the complex system of the Earth will go where it goes, and it “could” turn out that no catastrophic tipping points occur before IC runs low on FF, or some of those tipping points “could” occur sooner rather than later, no big deal, que sera sera.

  15. I’ve made a second career of studying and sharing-out the conditions under which environmentally-responsible behavior changes before circumstances force such change.

    I agree with much of what is being written hear about the difficulty of such timely behavior change. As I tell my students, if the techniques (e.g., information, incentives) we have been using for well over half a century had worked as well as we assumed they would, and needed them to, then we would not be having this conversation (and I’d be out of a job).

    But there are two often overlooked perspectives.

    FIRST, it’s not a yes/no issue. Rather than saying that people will never change behavior before being forced to, it much more useful to ask “what are the conditions under which they change?” We know they cooperate in groups under less that catastrophic situations (see Rebecca Solnit’s work), and can coordinate behavior to manage a commons in ways that require individual restraint (see Elinor Ostrom’s “Governing the Commons” – work she won the Nobel prize for). Some commons have lasted for a great many centuries.

    I find it useful to use Kenneth Boulding’s notion that “if it exists, it’s possible.” The Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites, etc. voluntarily restrain their consumption. And if we modify Boulding’s statement to “if it existed, it may be possible” then we can build off of Don’s Benedictine example. All this is to say, “restraint is possible.” Sure, it’s hard. But the more interesting question here is, “what are conditions that support such change before its being forced?”

    The SECOND perspective is to jump way ahead of any transitional period. Fully accept the consequences of EcoE, Catton’s “Overshoot”, or any of the poly-crises arguments (I’m currently re-reading Jackson and Jensen’s “An Inconvenient Apocalypse”). That is, start with the premise of an unprecedented energy descent and ask if humans can exist under an order-of-magnitude lower energy (and resource) throughput.

    The answer is an unequivocally yes. Many in the Global South thrive under conditions of extremely low throughput now and, horrifically, many are barely surviving in conditions well below those levels. The latter is a problem we must rectified, but we shouldn’t confuse those two conditions.

    And much of human existence occurred under very low throughput conditions. This was true even for our grandparents.

    So, it exists/existed, thus it is possible/might be possible. Sure, it’s going to be a hard life. But the interesting question here is, “how to help people navigate the transition better than they would if we didn’t try to help.” How do we per-familiarize people with such a life pattern?

    I think this latter question is what Chris Smaje (chrissmaje.com), the Post Carbon Institute (resilience.org) and others are working on. While the term localism is used a lot (or low-input agrarian localism in Chris’s case), I prefer re-localization (or localization) since it acknowledges that it’s a process that creatively draws on parts of our past but is not about returning wholesale to that past (which I think is neither possible nor desirable).

    Despite what for some people is a dismal forecast, my reading of the behavioral, historical, and biophysical work being done, and pragmatic practitioners like Chris Smaje, leaves me decidedly hopeful. I’m not an optimist nor a pessimist when it comes to the potential for human behavior change, but rather an empiricist without illusions.

    • thanks for that, I continue to think about riding with BAU for as long as possible, but it’s good to see what “the other side” thinks.

      by all means, people should do what they deem best, whether if it’s “change” more or less within ongoing BAU, or if it’s seeking alternatives outside of common consumer lifestyles.

      among the many cognitive biases that plague humans, recency bias and normalcy bias are plenty enough that most people can’t even comprehend why they might want to think outside the box of BAU.

      within BAU, there are things that people can change before being forced to, and so far the biggest change I’ve identified is that people can double up on housing and thus cut their housing expenses in half, which is a huge economic plus.

      while there are social/psychological reasons why many/most people would not want to double up on housing, my guess is most people would prefer that instead of growing lots of their own food, which indeed is hard.

    • “I find it useful to use Kenneth Boulding’s notion that “if it exists, it’s possible.” The Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites, etc. voluntarily restrain their consumption.”

      I’m looking at a different side of this.

      “it does exist” that many people can reduce their essential expenses, such as housing, and thus “it’s possible” that they won’t have to reduce their BAU-excessive consumption much, or maybe not at all, at least in the short term.

      at this early stage of degrowth, most of us still have a buffer of prosperity that covers all essentials and enables consumption of non-essentials.

      so in our present reality, most of us have many choices of how to manage the degrowth economy, and I would guess that for most people, the hard work of growing their own food would be one of the last choices.

    • I can’t cope with the rate of change, I think I’m suffering from what Alvin Toffler dubbed ‘Future Shock’,

      I’m trying to embrace voluntary simplicity because simpler is cheaper, less stressful, lower energy requirement and less dependency on complex chains of provision,
      I actually get quite irritable where involuntary complexity is forced upon me, such as a service going online only or being told I have to accept a smart electricity meter,

      I was looking at ideal or ‘utopian’ communities that were frequently established in North America, usually groups with a religious ideal, in the 19th century,
      some were very succesful,

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_utopian_communities

      the wiki listing for the Harmonites is interesting, it includes a snippet of their founding charter;

      On February 15, 1805, the settlers at Harmony, Pennsylvania, signed articles of association to formally establish the Harmony Society in the United States. In this document, Society members agreed to hold all property in a common fund, including working capital of $23,000 to purchase land, livestock, tools, and other goods needed to establish their town.[23] The agreement gave the Society legal status in the United States and protected it from dissolution. Members contributed all of their possessions, pledged cooperation in promoting the interests of the group, and agreed to accept no pay for their services. In return, the members would receive care as long as they lived with the group. Under this agreement, if a member left the Society, their funds would be returned without interest or, if they had not contributed to the Society’s treasury, they would receive a small monetary gift.

      the Shakers were successful enough that their name is now associated with a style of simple yet aesthetically pleasing utilitarian goods, often furniture,
      their success with abstinence actually curtailed their community as they didn’t reproduce,

      one could posit that the industrial revolution undermined these sorts of communities as fossil fuelled machinery appeared that could replace human labour,
      this is the reason for the Amish aversion to modern technology, it has the potential to render members of their families redundant in their economic model,

      rural communities are people, land and livestock centric, the modern urban world centres itself around machines, such as the automobile,
      you could say the modern urban world is inhuman and antisocial, look at the behaviour it engenders?

    • “I can’t cope with the rate of change, I think I’m suffering from what Alvin Toffler dubbed ‘Future Shock’,”

      Well, change itself is the one constant, but so much current change is change for the worse. I don’t even know where to start. Economic deterioration and financial crisis are obvious ones, and anyone who isn’t worried about the environment ought to be.

      Aside from these, deteriorating liberties and freedom of expression come to mind. A fashionable business model that cannot work. Societies and businesses planning for a future that can’t happen. Way too much dishonesty in so many walks of life. An obsession with the material at a time when material prosperity is inflecting. Politics getting nastier than I can ever remember.

      Still, at least the sun is shining here!

    • “Economic deterioration and financial crisis… the environment… deteriorating liberties and freedom of expression… A fashionable business model that cannot work. Societies and businesses planning for a future that can’t happen. Way too much dishonesty in so many walks of life. An obsession with the material at a time when material prosperity is inflecting. Politics getting nastier…”

      The single common cause seems rather obvious to me – terminal stupidity.

      The people have been so conditioned by the relentless repetition of the propaganda of corporate-controlled consumer-fascism that their intellect is now so overwhelmed by their emotions, especially their fears, that they are no longer capable of confronting their reality, let alone of doing something collectively in order to fix the system and find a way to survive.

      The people have been duped into submission, into inadvertent and mindless support of the very system that is undermining the very foundations of civilisation, and which has no means to stop itself, even if it wanted to.

    • Yes, terminal stupidity.

      On the timescales of evolution, the Industrial Age – commencing less than 250 years ago – is barely the blink of an eye. Our thinking and reactions haven’t – and couldn’t have – caught up with economic and social change. Moreover, we’re now going to have to adapt to a combination of industrial-era expectations and post-industrial economic contraction.

      The destructive system has indeed no way of stopping itself. But, as we know from rising ECoEs, dwindling resources and worsening environmental degradation, it’s going to be stopped whether it – or we – want this or not.

    • “Our thinking and reactions haven’t – and couldn’t have – caught up with economic and social change.”

      I think the dumbing down of the people is much more deliberate than that implies. Consumerisation of the punters makes them relentlessly afraid and unsatisfied, and at the very same time, makes them willing to try to escape reality by consumption of unnecessary discretionary goods and services, despite knowing deep down that it is never going to make them any happier.

      This process is designed to make people into docile and ignorant consumer drones, for the sake of selling them stuff in vast volumes, and loading them up with as much debt as they can possibly handle.

      It is almost a side effect, rather than a deliberate goal, that the more deluded the punters become, the further and faster they drift to the ignorant political Right, and this corrupts democracy to the point where it is no longer functional, no longer able to solve the real problems bearing down on humanity.

      Each individual is free to opt out of consumerism, simply by avoiding all advertising, all social media, and all commercial news sources, while changing their set of social contacts to avoid deluded consumers and the socially enforced patterns of effectively moronic behaviour that they unwittingly engage in.

      But it is hard to see how to the wake the punters in any great numbers to the real causes of systemic dysfunction, and to the real reason the governments they choose – of whatever persuasion – can no longer protect them from the realities of the world destroying machine of corporate controlled consumerism.

    • The Sun is Shining
      Walking outside in the sunshine is one of the best ways to relieve stress. And Stress responses are killers.
      Don Stewart

    • I appreciate change is a constant, the universe never sits still, but it is the type of change, the future offered, well actually being imposed, it’s not the change I choose,
      I believe in free will, I have repeatedly proven to myself that I can make my own choices and act upon them,

      few of the prescriptions for the future proffered by those currently in charge seem to add up or make sense, I would not choose them,
      what I can do is look to the historical record at what did work, in lieu of a better suggestion I’m quite happy to retreat to a way of life that did and does make sense,

      rather like when your Windows computer goes haywire and you’re given the option to return to the last settings that were stable and worked,

      I think this is why, when any society is under stress, there is a faction who harken back to the days when life was at least understandable and made sense,
      maybe the past only makes sense in hindsight, you only appreciate something once it’s lost.

    • I think I’d put it like this.

      First, we have an overly materialistic culture which tells people that ‘you are what you own’ (or earn). That’s a vapid ideology to start with, even when getting better off remains possible.

      Second, the economy has started to contract. This gives us a promoted ideology at odds with material fact.

      Third, rather than accept decleration towards contraction, we’ve tried financial fixes that have failed, disastrously. As well as burdening the system with enormous liabilities, this has ramped up stress.

      As well as not having the answers, those in charge aren’t even asking the right questions.

  16. EcoReality in BC Canada gave it a go trying to establish an “ecovillage” but the last info I saw was that it was being closed down and sold off.

    apparently not only was it a hard life, it was too hard.

    isn’t that the usual destination for communes/ecovillages, so-called “intentional communities”, that they disband after a few (hard) years?

    do any of these ever not fail?

    • Karen Litfin’s 2014 book “Ecovillages” investigated fourteen intentional communities around the world. Her work doesn’t suggest that they are destined to fail after a few years.

      The Foundation for Intentional Communities (ic.org) is an advocate for such communities. Although they note that some do fail in the first few years, the growing number of such communities and the longevity of some suggests that something is going on.

      One question is where the boundary is among intentional community, community, and plain-old-village.

      But maybe a more interesting issue to explore has to do with intentional communities emerging during the current time and conditions versus under an energy descent scenario.

      Current beliefs about human nature are hostile toward such settlements ever working. The dominant social norms, economic arguments, sociopolitical dynamics of small groups, and even our discussions here, makes voluntarily creating and/or joining an ecovillage seem unlikely. Certainly unsupported. And if tried, destined to fail. YET, they are being created. People are choosing those types of settlements. The numbers are small, but “if it exists, it’s possible” (K. Boulding).

      Right now participation in such a settlement is fully volitional and leaving such a community is socially and economically possible. Jump ahead a couple of decades when the energy descent scenario played out and the intentional communities that Litfin writes about, particularly those with an outward facing mission, might be where humans thrive.

      [Truth in advertising: I’m clearly an advocate for intentional settlements. We live in a co-operative community with 427 housing units (each about 900 sq. ft). It was built in the mid-1960s. We are not a village (i.e., we have no services provided on-site beyond housing, courtyard common land (15-20 townhouses per shared courtyard), a forest, and a small but growing community garden). But we are part of a 20-minute walking neighborhood where about half of our weekly needs could be met if people wanted. Our city is encouraging such neighborhoods as a way to enhance community resilience in the face of the climate crisis and has a 10-year plan to center such neighborhoods around facilities like resilience hubs (resilience-hub.org). A work in progress since 1965.]

    • I think that eco villages can fail because it’s easy to leave and plug back into fossil fuel modernity.

      But what happens when people have nowhere to run to. For better or worst, they have to just figure out how to make things work.

  17. John Michael Greer from his Golden Age
    Greer posted, on October 18, a refresher from his time writing about Peak Oil and the inevitable repercussions of that. You can search on his Ecosophia blog and look for:
    Bracing for Impact

    If you remember classic Greer, this may bring back some memories. And might even give you a few helpful hints.

    At the time he was writing, I was working on a small farm to insure that we had ample food in case of a crisis. Now I’m almost 2 decades older and stoop labor is definitely not my thing. I still do have a good sized garden. I agree with Greer that knowing how not to produce ten dollar tomatoes is a learned skill.

    Don Stewart

    • Well JMG really does look at the world differently than most people. He has said, that he has written just about everything useful he could think of about Peak Oil / Ecological Overshoot about 10 years ago. He has done a few new posts in that vein lately, I guess he has found a few new things to say.

      But for the most part he has been trying to do something more useful than just repeating himself. So he has been trying to cause changes “upstream” from physical reality. From his perspective Politics is upstream from physical reality.
      Culture is upstream from Politics.
      Imagination is upstream from Culture.
      The Spiritual is upstream from Imagination.

      So he has been trying to cause changes “upstream” in the hope that those changes percolate “downstream” eventually bringing about changes in the physical world.

      It is a very different approach, but the usual political activism does not seem to be working.

    • Expensive tomatoes
      Some pundit (I can’t remember who) criticized home gardeners for spending lots of money to grow tomatoes which can be purchased much more cheaply in any grocery store. If one works on a small farm which is forced to compete with huge farms, then reducing costs is a never ending job.

      If growing tomatoes is just a hobby, then the home gardener may spend a lot more money purchasing supplies. And neighborhood associations in the suburbs mostly will not permit the sort of shabby “make do” solutions which are cheap but not beautiful. Small farmers have traditionally saved all kinds of junk which might someday prove to be useful. The small farm I worked on had, at one time, 3 tractors, none of which actually worked. That’s not fatal, as anything a tractor can do on a small farm, more human labor can also do.

      Don Stewart

    • here’s the conclusion to JMG’s October 4th article:

      “It could be done by an ordinary person, alone or working with others, who takes the principles of successful magic seriously and makes a sustained effort to create an ideal that will appeal to most people.
      It could be you, dear reader. As the political machinery of our failing republic clanks and lumbers deeper into what could become its terminal crisis, you might want to consider it.”

      or it could be JMG himself, but if he publicly tried his “magic” and failed, well, that would not be a good look for that “magic”.

      “It is a very different approach, but the usual political activism does not seem to be working.”

      surely some adherents of “magic” are also trying their approach, and their approach also “does not seem to be working”.

    • JMG wrote an article years ago describing how tribal magicians were actually practicing the same sort of “magic” that Donald Trump practices…as well as other politicians. It’s not literally pulling rabbits out of hats…but instead persuading the tribe members that their leader CAN pull rabbits out of hats.

      I don’t follow JMG’s posts on his “magic” themes at all. So I don’t know what he is thinking about at the present time.

      Just as an item of interest, the tribal magician usually lived a little separated from the rest of the tribe. The magician was useful…but not actually trustworthy.
      Don Stewart

    • “It’s not literally pulling rabbits out of hats…but instead persuading the tribe members that their leader CAN pull rabbits out of hats.”

      yes apparently his idea of “real” magic is something more like persuasion.

      my point remains that surely there are practitioners of this kind of “magic” who are trying to “change the world” into a better place, and yet surely they are failing.

    • Religious prophets and ordinary clergy for the various religions have expended enormous amounts of CO2 (about 2.3 pounds per day per human) in the effort to make something better than God made out of the clay.

      So far, I would say that progress has been glacially slow.
      Don Stewart

    • Davidinamillionyears
      You are right that what JMG is advocating is closer to persuasion than pulling a rabbit out of a hat, or casting fireballs.

      In our current situation, we have been “enchanted” by the ideas of Progress. You know, man is the conqueror of nature, the economy should grow every year, things are constantly getting better, science is the pathway to Truth, mankind is destined to become gods and stride from star system to star system. There are no limits to human imagination.

      Now this enchanted belief system is running face first into an unpleasant reality, it will be replaced.

      Hence the need to stimulate the imagination to hopefully find a different way to conceptualize and guide human existence. And you are right that JMG has tried to help do this with his fictional works. With his novel Retrotopia being the most obvious example. Chris Smaje’s Small Farm Future being a good non fiction example. They certainly have not been successful yet, but we are still early in this crisis.

      For myself I am becoming fascinated by the idea of humans as “seed bearers”. That as humans we should select, protect, nurture and transmit the “seeds” of civilization into the future.

      How about you? Any ideas on a better conceptualization of what humans should be?

    • “Any ideas on a better conceptualization of what humans should be?”

      I think more than anything else, humans should be the masters of the economy, not its servants.

      We can assume this power to control economic outcomes by agreeing on a set of goals for the economy to deliver – whether it is shrinking or expanding as a whole – and implementing market guidance mechanisms to deliver each of those goals along whatever trajectory we choose to set.

      This is how we transition from world destroying idiots to world restoring champions of sustainability and good sense. I think it is our only chance at any sort of redemption.

    • With tongue firmly in cheek…everybody should listen to me and then do the opposite!!!
      Don Stewart

    • first I will say that I am still fairly optimistic about 2024 here in The Core.

      doesn’t JMG also at times refer to the idea of a “second religiosity”? That in the farther future, when IC has had many stair steps down, the old superstitous fictions of uneducated unknowledgeable ancient men will return to a more prominent role in societies?

      what humans should be seems out of the question, it’s what humans will be.

      perhaps on the plus side, and this has been referred to in the ecovillage comments, religous fictions can benefit communities by holding them together bonded in their superstitous beliefs.

      so I’m pessimistic about the farther future, when humans will become what they were, believing a plethora of mythiccal untruths.

      also on the plus side, I (65ish) don’t expect to live to see that devolution of knowledge.

      it will be what it will be.

    • JMG lifted the idea of a second religiosity from Toynbee.
      Apparently it happens after a civilization Age of Reason reaches the limits of human reasoning. The predicaments it can’t handle with reason trigger a return to the beliefs it had before its age of reason.

      But i had to laugh at this David

      “so I’m pessimistic about the farther future, when humans will become what they were, believing a plethora of mythiccal untruths.”

      Mythical beliefs like Infinite growth on finite planet? or Man the Conqurer of Nature?

      LOL I think humans will always believe in a plethora of mythical untruths.

      That is the way we were.
      That is the way we are.
      And that is the way we will always be.

      But different mythical untruths have different effect on how we behave.

  18. @dobbs
    “Upstream” is a thing right now. We have all kinds of pundits telling us to think about our “purpose”. People find that “purpose” is health promoting…or happiness promoting, and etc. I sometimes enjoy reading about that…but a lot of what our purpose in the moment actually turns out to be isn’t very uplifting. Things like making enough money to pay the rent or buy groceries or yelling loud enough to disrupt Chris Christy (in a current video of him being heckled by Trump supporters).

    Many years ago I studied some Economics in a book titled The Worldly Philosophers…meaning that they focused on making money or otherwise achieving wealth rather than putting up “treasures in heaven”. I think that the Worldly is currently ascendent and “treasures in heaven” is in scarce…except perhaps in the Muslim world. A former CIA agent recently said that Americans underestimated the power of religion in the Muslim world.

    Don Stewart

    • @Don Speaking of magic, Robert Heilbroner (The Worldly Philosophers ) could make writing about economics interesting and that’s magical indeed…

  19. Successful Eco Villages
    Twin Oaks is an income-sharing community of 100 people living on 485 acres of farm and forestland in Virginia. Founded in 1967, our lifestyle reflects our values of egalitarianism, feminism and sustainability. We welcome scheduled visitors throughout the year. We are economically self-sufficient. Members work in our community businesses–making hammocks and chairs, indexing books, and making tofu. These businesses provide about one-third of our work; the rest goes into the tasks needed to support a rural village of 100 people–organic gardening, milking cows, equipment and building maintenance, office work, and more. Our work schedules of 42 hours each week are very flexible. In return for member’s labor, the community provides all basic needs, including housing, food, clothing, etc. Twin Oaks has an intricate community culture. Our everyday lives include many recreational activities–social and support groups, performances, music, games, dance, and art. Our culture values tolerance of diversity and sustainable living. We share our vehicles, we build our own buildings, and we share houses of 10-20 people. We do not have a group religion; our beliefs are diverse. We do not have a central leader; we govern ourselves by a form of democracy with responsibility shared among various managers and teams.

    Farkha ecovillage in West Bank, Palestine.
    Of the village’s 330 households, 234 have their
    own gardens.

    I know a little about Twin Oaks. They have a communal kitchen with industrial sized pots for cooking enough soup for a hundred people. They are very good garden farmers, able to feed themselves year round. They also are able to accumulate some money by making stuff they sell to the outside world. They do not try to inculcate any particular religion or philosophy on their members…it’s just about doing what needs to be done.

    Don Stewart

    • Don, not arguing, no agenda,

      To work it will need a religion, Amish have worked. This is very unusual, would be interesting to see average age over since founding. Guess: it is dying out.

      Again, no conclusions on my part. If you have the average age that would be interesting.

      Dennis L.

    • The source for the description of the eco-village in Palestine is Albert Bates (Peak Surfer). He is very involved in the global Eco-Village movement. My knowledge of Twin Oaks comes from meeting members of that village at farming and gardening events that I attend.

      A few observations on my part, which are not backed up by lots of data collection:
      *The Shakers succeeded because they accepted people in hard times. The Shakers could take an unskilled person and make them into a competent maker of furniture very quickly. The reason was because they had a standardized pattern for chairs, tables, etc. which used available wood from sawmills using only basic carpentry. None of the fancy stuff you will see in places like colonial capitals.
      *Twin Oaks is somewhat similar. They do what they do in an organized fashion. They can take a new member and make them a competent tender of dairy cattle without sending them to an agricultural school.
      *Some eco-villages are more like cooperatives of consumers. That is, the people go off to work in the “gentile” economy every day, but come home to what is essentially an extended family. So a little like Klaus Scwab’s idea of owning nothing.

      The point is that there is no universal template for an eco-village. My observation is that the ones that endure are helping people meet some basic needs, and are organized for considerable efficiency. Inefficiency is weeded out.

      Don Stewart

    • “The point is that there is no universal template for an eco-village.”

      yes, ecovillage or intentional community or prepper homestead or just plain old “farm” etc.

      there are many names for many variations.

      “My observation is that the ones that endure are helping people meet some basic needs, and are organized for considerable efficiency. Inefficiency is weeded out.”

      perhaps somewhat true, but my speculation is that the ones that endure are continuing to attach themselves to some economic dimensions of the modern economy.

      maybe not all of them, but yeah, I would be surprised to hear of even one that is totally detached from modernity.

      though that day might have to come, sooner or later.

    • @davidinamillionyears
      While it is possible top live like the Unabomber or one of the few thousand hunter/gatherers left on the planet, it is impossible to make a living and pay taxes without being somewhat entangled with modernity. There ARE people who live a lot lower on the totem pole. Some by choice, others by the necessity of circumstance.

      If you look at photographs of the Hadza, many are wearing T shirts made in Southeast Asia.
      Don Stewart

    • I think there’s a lot of sensible threads emerging from this discussion.

      Most people who comment here believe that the future will necessarily involve becoming more localised, through necessity rather than choice. The eco-village model of community requires voluntary adoption, but some form of community intensive life is going to be thrust upon us all, in an involuntary fashion. A thought I keep pondering, is what will be the optimal size of community to organise life around? I’m sure that some boffin has researched this, but I haven’t got round to digging it out.

      The theme of efficiency and waste elimination will be vital. I’ve spent much of my working life leading these kind of projects in business, and I can visualise a future where it will need to happen at a community level.

      We currently have community schools, and Community centres for social events, so the foundations are there for a more community centric existence. I can see a future where having community workshops (make do and mend instead of bin and replace), community kitchens, community farming, and even community energy production will be the predominant way we live. No choice. The world is going to shrink as as ECoE advances relentlessly. How soon? Now there’s a question.

    • You are quite right about localism becoming more important. I’m very open to ideas on how we progress this theme. My own approach, I know, is very much top-down, because that’s what macroeconomics is.

      You are also right – extremely so – on how many sensible themes have been discussed here.

      One of these is how difficult it is for the uninitiated to be open-minded about the SEE thesis.

      My plan is to strive for ever-greater clarity. The next article is likely to be a new effort at streamlined (yet comprehensive) explanation on my part.

    • I actually meant to comment that our access to the world is going to shrink as ECoE advances relentlessly.

    • What is the optimal number of people for a sustainable community?
      Of course the Amish is cited as a successful, self-sustaining, non-modern community. The Amish are Christians, and their identity is tightly-defined, against other less-exclusive Christian groups and against the American majority around them. They succeed also because they have held on to their own Rhineland-Dutch language, which limits exogamy, so the temptation to leave the community is never strong enough to threaten its continuation. Of course each of them learns a wide-range of craft skills, and works for others for credit reckoned informally, not financially, so no money is exchanged. Their traditional gender roles means that a wife is content with whatever provisions her husband and the rest of the community are able to supply her, and means that child-bearing and -rearing are not devalued as it is in the rest of American and modern society.
      So the point is not only what is the optimal number in a community, but also what ethos sustains their social capital so that community is able to weather shocks and hold together. The worldly philosophers dispensed with ethos, morality, love and many other previously-familiar explanations of social cohesion. Now it now looks as though the ever-growing global population they were godparents to, will be going through an erratic reversal and no return to equilibrium. Anglo neo-classical economics was premised simultaneously on a steady-state, and on limitless growth. Both principles will soon seem quaint. If you want to survive, be a member of a community that does what the Amish do, and that means one that instructs its members in the same ethos. Easy to say, I know. I haven’t managed it yet.

  20. I am sure many of you here read naked capitalism. Do me a favor, ask Susan Weber (Yves Smith) when the last time she consulted for the Soros foundation was (she refuses to even post the comment on her site). Rather harmless question right? Why would you refuse to post it? It’s funny how few people even do basic research on those they rely on for information.

  21. @ Dr Tim,

    “You are quite right about localism becoming more important. I’m very open to ideas on how we progress this theme.”

    Without thinking too deeply about it, here’s a few ideas.

    1.) An exploration of BAU versus a predominantly localised, community- centred way of life, from an energy intensity viewpoint. At what point on the EcOE chart does a transition to the latter become absolutely unavoidable?

    2.) Consideration for the future of private enterprise based on the above transition. Can any model of capitalism survive the transition, or will “for profit” businesses become as extinct as the Dodo?

    3.) Based on consideration of the first two points what is the prognosis for public services? Does the social welfare state collapse? In the UK, will the National Health Service be forced to become the “Local” health service? Will the national education curriculum be abandoned, and all education be prescribed locally? Can the university model, which (in the UK at least), depends on higher fees levied on foreign students, survive more than a decade or two?

    No shortage of fascinating themes to dig into.

    • @ neil. Dunbar’s number. Robin Dunbar came up with a figure which was either a maximum or optimum number of people in a community/village/tribe.

    • Thanks Neill, most helpful.

      On your second point, and in a world so heavily dominated by big corporations, the outlook for private enterprise is a complex issue. Small local specialists – electricians, plumbers and so on – will continue, but the problem with big corporates is their dependency on the extraction-disposal-replacement cycle, itself a product of the low-cost energy economic evolution of the past.

      I’m thinking this through. I’m in favour of private enterprise, of course, without which everything would be in the hands of the state. But I strongly think that a wholly new model will be necessary for medium/large enterprises to survive. In any case, industries, like businesses, come and go with economic change.

      Additionally, whole sectors are poised to shrink or disappear, both through discretionary contraction and de-layering of the economy.

      Public services should, at least in theory, be less difficult to decentralise.

    • @ Tim. “But I strongly think that a wholly new model will be necessary for medium/large enterprises to survive.”

      I’ve always wondered if the notion of a “municipal utility” could be broadened?

      Back in the 2007/2008 financial crisis folks kept bringing up the idea of “too big to fail” (and thus, requiring a bail out). But in civil engineering that idea gets flipped; if something is “too important to fail” (e.g., water supply, wastewater treatment, storm water management, street lighting, fire fighting, EMS/A&E) it often gets turned into a utility. It might be publicly or privately owned, but usually highly regulated by a public body/commission.

      If it’s not well regulated then it often fails. That does happen, of course, but often gets put right in short order. But the failure/quick-reset proves the main points: it’s “too important to fail” and “it needs close regulation by a body looking out for the public interest”.

    • “but the problem with big corporates is their dependency on the extraction-disposal-replacement cycle”

      How is an enterprise that can’t survive without bailouts every 8 years without a bailout (and i’d argue as we get closer to the end the bailouts effective lease on life will shorten, kinda like a half life) from the government private enterprise? “You will own nothing and you will like it!”

    • as Richard mentioned above, Dunbar’s number, by your very own British anthropologist Robin Dunbar.

      150 people as an optimum or perhaps maximum possible number of stable quality relationships.

      but that seems to be a number based more specifically on relationships, and less or very little to do with the concerns of economy, energy, food etc.

      so it’s a starting number to think about.

      would 75 be better for basic economics?

      would 300 be better for basic economics, with the implication that each community member would “relate” to no more than about half of the community?

      this might be far into the future, but if small communities become dependent on wood as the primary energy resource, then local deforestation once again could become a huge issue, like how the rolling green hills of Scotland were once thick forests.

      farmed land also seems to degrade over many decades, so communities that don’t degrade their forests and farmland might make the ideal local populations tend to a smaller size.

    • Ideal size
      This is just a few examples, so not proof. However, perhaps worth thinking about. A key to the recovery of Japan from the incessant wars and ecological degradation was the imposition of very strict forest regulations by the dictatorial regime in Edo (now Tokyo). Since it takes roughly a century to grow a healthy forest, short term human organization is not adequate to the task. Death penalties for cutting down trees did the job.

      An alternative is a low human population scattered in a productive jungle or across a fertile grassland. It isn’t clear why the large Amazonian cities discovered by the original Spanish explorers were decimated, but disease is a good guess. Same with the big cities which once graced the Mississippi region in the US. Decimate the human population and nature takes over again. If I had to rank the likely triggers for a decimation of the population now, starvation and violence would be high on my list. Starvation because we have forgotten how to produce food without exogenous energy, and violence because people likely won’t die without a struggle.

      The last I heard, the Maya civilization in Central America just decentralized and left ruins in the jungle. But I think that evolutionary path is still uncertain.

      Don Stewart

  22. Grassroots Thinking

    @Tim said “My own approach, I know, is very much top-down, because that’s what macroeconomics is.”

    Therein lies a problem. Top-down thinking was the mindset underlying the growing economy. Bottom-up thinking is fundamentally different and is a natural part of the shrinking economy.

    I say “natural” because things are developing at the grassroots by natural human evolution, not in any centrally planned way.

    Growth was a mechanistic process determined by commercial and political objectives. Shrinkage is a human process which is dynamic, cooperative and family-based.

    It is challenging to understand bottom-up thinking from the top down. And vice versa.

    For grassroots development to be allowed, top-down authorities must allow grassroots people to plough their own furrows.

    The eventual outcome cannot be imagined.

    This blog could continue to focus on the evolution of discretionary and essential markets and the relationships with the grassroots.

    • Thanks Barry. I know from what I’ve read that you have a lot of original and constructive ideas on bottom-up. I don’t know, by the way, why your comment was held for moderation.

      I confessed – if such it is – to a top-down approach because I think this needs to be acknowledged. There’s a role for both, but the imbalance is unhelpful.

    • “For grassroots development to be allowed, top-down authorities must allow grassroots people to plough their own furrows.”

      What is possible in terms of grassroots action and decisions from the bottom up depends entirely on the nature of the crash, and its aftermath, in each little pocket of the world.

      In all places where any of the basics are in short supply, the basics being food, water, fuel, munitions and shelter, the prevailing systems of power will be forced to seize direct control over those resources.

      In nation states where the basics are plentiful enough for standing military and police forces to be maintained, then the prevailing systems of power will be governments. But in most of the world, where adequate supplies of the basics depend on functioning global supply chains, the spoils will be captured by global corporations and local criminal organisations and networks.

      The competition to control those basic resources always sees the rise of warlords and a corresponding descent into civil chaos. Usually this situation can only be resolved by intervention by outside forces, like peacekeeping forces or military occupation, but this becomes impossible if everywhere is descending into chaos at the same time.

      So, the answer to the earlier question about how big communities will need to be in order to be self-sufficient in a post crash future is: big enough and well armed enough to defend their resources from whatever competitive forces might want to capture them.

      Without any sort of orchestrated plan to manage degrowth and to follow a smooth transition path to a much smaller economy, with a dramatically reduced energy supply, the idea of bottom up cooperation and some sort of autonomous local communities is very romantic but profoundly optimistic.

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