#155. The art of dark sky thinking

ECONOMICS, THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE PROBABILITY OF ‘DE-GROWTH’

One of the clichés much loved by business leaders and others is “blue sky thinking”. An implication of this term, it seems to me, is that there’s an infinity of possibility. Although the mainstream press has, in the past, dubbed me “Dr Gloom” and “Terrifying Tim”, I don’t discount the concept of infinite possibility. I’m an incurable optimist – when I’m not looking at the economic outlook, anyway.

However positive you are, though, if you set out on a lengthy expedition, it’s as well to take some wet weather clothing with you, because blue skies can turn dark grey pretty quickly. ‘Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst’ seems a pretty prudent way to think.

Before we address some of the financial, economic and broader issues which might darken our skies, I’d like to draw your attention to an important distinction, which is that ‘situations’ and ‘outcomes’ are different things. ‘Situations’ are circumstances calling for decisions, but, in themselves, they generally contain a multiplicity of possible results. ‘Outcomes’ are determined by the responses made to any particular set of ‘situations’.

This is important, because a lot of what I’m going to discuss here concerns ‘situations’. Many of these look pretty daunting, but the point about a multiplicity of possible ‘outcomes’ remains critical. Bad decisions turn difficult situations into malign outcomes, but wise choices can, at the very least, preclude the worst, and can even produce good outcomes from unpromising situations.

The gloomy non-science

Economics has been called “the gloomy science”. In fact, economics – as currently practised – may or may not be “gloomy”, but it isn’t a “science”. The fundamental flaw with conventional economics is that it assumes that the economy is a financial system, to be measured in dollars, pounds, euros and yen.

This, in reality, is a huge misconception. Throughout history, systems of money have come and gone. A collector might well buy a Roman coin from you, but you couldn’t use it in a café or a shop.  Money is simply a human artefact, often of temporary duration, which we can create or destroy at will.

The purpose of money is the facilitation of exchange, something more convenient than barter. Its other often-claimed functions (as “a store of value” and a “unit of account”) are flawed at best. The “store of value” concept is particularly unconvincing. If somebody in a Western country dug up some banknotes buried in the garden by his or her great-grandmother, their purchasing power would be dramatically lower than when the biscuit-tin containing them was interred between the cabbages and the carrots. Measured using the broad-basis GDP deflator, the US dollar has lost 62% of its purchasing power since 1980 alone, and the pound has shed 71% of its value. Moreover, many countries change their notes and coins at frequent intervals, invalidating older versions.

Money does have important characteristics – which we’ll come to – but it’s not in any sense coterminous with a ‘real’ economy that consists of goods and services. All of these are products of the use of energy. Once you grasp this fundamental point, a ‘science’ of economics becomes a possibility, but as a branch of the laws of thermodynamics, and not, as now, as ‘the study of money’.

The energy fundamentals

As regular readers will know, whenever energy is accessed, some of that energy is always consumed in the access process. This divides the totality of energy supply into two streams – the consumed component is known here as ECoE (the Energy Cost of Energy), and the remainder is surplus energy. Because this surplus energy powers all forms of economic activity other than the supply of energy itself, it is the determinant of prosperity.

The SEEDS model calculates that, over the last twenty years, global trend ECoE has more than doubled, from 3.6% in 1998 to 7.9% last year. That’s already taken a huge bite out of our ability to grow our prosperity, and there’s no likelihood of ECoE levelling out in the foreseeable future, let alone turning back downwards.

The ECoEs of renewables are falling, just as those of fossil fuels are rising exponentially. This is a topic that we’ve discussed before, and will undoubtedly return to in the future, but it seems unlikely that a full transition to renewables, utterly vital though it is, is going to stabilise overall ECoE at much below about 10%. For context, back in the 1960s, when real economic growth was robust (and when petroleum consumption was growing by as much as 8% annually, whilst car ownership was expanding rapidly), world trend ECoE was less than 2%.

There are two reasons – one obvious, one perhaps less so – why an understanding of ECoE is critical to the environmental debate.

Obviously, if we continue to tie our economic fortunes to fossil fuels, the relentless rise in their ECoEs is going to carry on making us poorer, so there’s a compelling economic (as well as environmental) case for transition to renewables.

Less obviously, whilst prosperity is a function of surplus (aggregate less-ECoE) energy, climate-harming emissions are tied to total (surplus plus ECoE) energy. Essentially, we need to reduce our emissions from fossil fuels at a rate which at least matches the rate at which their ECoEs are rising if we’re to stand any chance at all of overcoming climate risk.

It’s a dispiriting thought that, whilst energy-based economics could make a powerful contribution to the case for environmental action, conventional, money-fixated economics can only interact negatively, by telling us how much it’s going to “cost”. Unfortunately, mainstream economics can’t really tell us the cost of not transitioning.

These “costs”, to be sure, are dauntingly large numbers. IRENA – the International Renewable Energy Agency – has costed transition at between $95 trillion and $110tn. These equate to between 619 and 721 Apollo programmes at the current-equivalent cost ($153bn) of putting a man on the Moon.

Moreover, the Americans of the 1960s had a choice about whether or not to fund a space programme. In economic as well as in environmental terms, there is no choice at all about our imperative need to transition.

The invalidation of futurity

The gigantic costs that energy transition involve bring us back to money, where we need to note something that couldn’t really be done with barter, but is well facilitated by money. That concept is futurity.

Time itself has always formed part of economic transactions, and this was the case even before the invention of the first efficient heat-engine enabled us to tap the energy wealth of fossil fuels. When someone bought, say, a table, he or she was paying for the labour (which, of course, is energy) that had gone into making it. Hiring someone to plough a field was a payment for labour in the present, and engaging someone to build a barn was payment for labour in the future.

But futurity is something different. When someone invests, he or she is looking to the future, hoping that income from the investment, or its future saleable value, will exceed the initial outlay. When an insurance policy is agreed, both parties have in mind the likelihood, and possible cost, of some future eventuality. Perhaps most importantly of all, loan transactions make a lot of assumptions about the future in which the loan, and interest, are to be repaid. Very much the same applies to saving for a pension.

All of these transactions can make a positive contribution to the effective functioning of the economy. Vitally, though, they require making assumptions about conditions at some future date. To a large extent, these assumptions – which, collectively, form a consensus – are based on prior experience. To this extent, decisions taken about futurity are only as good as the consensus on which they are based.

Imagine that you’re an insurer, issuing a policy on a car. Historically, this type of car, and this category of driver, is likely to be involved in an accident once in ten years, so the policy is priced accordingly, remembering that competitor insurance companies are likely to be working on a very similar basis of calculation. Then, though, these cars start crashing, not once every ten years, but once in every three. You’ll lose money, because your futurity assumption has been invalidated.

This is a simple example, with corollaries in any transaction involving futurity. The danger arises when prior experience ceases to be a valid guide to the future.

A good real-world example involves the provision of pensions. Prior to the 2008 global financial crisis (GFC), historic long-run returns on American bonds and equities averaged 3.6% and 8.6%, respectively. Now, though, forward calculations need to be based, according to the World Economic Forum, on returns of only 3.45% for equities, and just 0.15% for bonds. Critically, this doesn’t just apply to funds invested after the fall in rates – it also cripples forward returns on capital accumulated before rates of return collapsed.

This, says the WEF, has helped created shortfalls so large that they amount to a “global pension timebomb”. Since, according to my calculations, a person investing 10% of his or her income in a pension fund before the GFC now needs to raise that to about 27% to get the same outcome – a percentage not remotely affordable for most people – we can almost say that private pension provision worldwide has been rendered inoperable by post-2008 monetary policy.

If my energy-based interpretation of the outlook for prosperity is correct – and I’d contend, simply, that its logic keeps getting more and more corroboration from events – then the entire basis of ‘consensus futurity’ has been invalidated. SEEDS shows prosperity growth petering out, not in the future, but now, and over a period which began roughly twenty years ago.

This invalidated the futurity consensus used during the massive issuance of debt before 2008, and, equally, destroys the assumptions on which subsequent monetary adventurism has been based.

Slow or negative growth – something which invalidates any projection based on pre-2000 experience – means that “secular stagnation” (or whatever euphemism you care to use) isn’t something that the economy will “grow out of”, much as youngsters grow out of childhood ailments. It’s the ‘new normal’, though it’s not the kind of thing that anyone is going to recognize as ‘normal’.

This, sooner or later, can be expected to cause a financial crash on a scale much larger than 2008, and this event (‘GFC II’) is going to hit, not just the banks, as in GFC I, but the financial system, and the very validity of fiat currencies.

Put another way, the ‘real’ and the ‘financial’ economies have moved so far apart that the latter is destined to topple over into the gap.

And this, remember, is the same financial system that needs to find the equivalent of more than 700 Apollo space programmes to finance energy transition.

I hope I’m wrong about financial crash risk, but I can see only one possible way out of the gigantic commitments – debt, pensions and much more – that we have made to a future that isn’t going to be what we thought it was going to be. The theme tune for this could be a song by the late, great Mickey Newbury – “The future’s not what it used to be”.

That only possible way out is the deliberate triggering of inflation. This would allow borrowers to ‘soft default’ their way out of unaffordable debt, ‘repaying’ lenders but in greatly devalued money. But it’s a medicine whose economic side-effects are at least as bad as the disease. High inflation has killed more currencies than any other cause.

‘De-coupling’ fiction and ‘de-growth’ fact

Rather than going into the implications of a financial crisis dwarfing that of 2008, my aim here is to look at the broader economic and environmental issues both before and after GFC II. Optimistically, one consequence of that event could be a general reappraisal of our situation – and this, of course, is where the logic of choices determining the ‘outcomes’ of ‘situations’ becomes all-important.

One set of possible choices is to try to recreate the status quo ante, but a more positive interpretation is that we will finally be forced to face a reality that, hitherto, few have understood, and fewer still have been prepared to confront.

Already, though, here have been some encouraging exceptions. In Britain, for example, chief environmental scientist Professor Sir Ian Boyd, has said recently that environmental objectives can be achieved only if people can be persuaded to move away from consumption.

This followed a report from a committee of legislators which concluded that, “[I]n the long-term, widespread personal vehicle ownership does not appear to be compatible with significant decarbonisation”. The committee said that the government should “aim to reduce the number of vehicles required”, promoting public transport and making it cheaper than car ownership. (In passing, it’s regrettable that the committee also advocated the inclusion of hybrids in the future ban on the sale of petrol- and diesel-powered cars, when it could instead have called for a near-term all-hybrids policy, and a limit on engine sizes).

The situation to be faced can be summarised as follows. Our obsession with “growth” has led us into behaviours which are destructive, not just of our environment and ecology, but in ways that we might term ‘social’, ‘political’ and ‘behavioural’. Now, though, energy-based interpretation suggests that the scope for further growth has ceased to exist. This compels us to change our thinking about the economy.

Of course, I don’t doubt that, even in extremis, a consensus based on conventional financial interpretation of the economy will express outright denial over this, and will come up with yet more hare-brained schemes to follow on from failed credit and monetary adventurism. These may well be attempted but, of course, they won’t work.

The fundamentals are that the surplus energy from fossil fuels which, hitherto, has driven economic growth is being squeezed, from two directions. Whilst the trend ECoE of fossil fuels is rising, our ability to try to counter this by increasing aggregate (pre-ECoE) supply is nearing its limits. The petroleum industry may indeed be guilty of having “cried wolf” in the past over the sorts of prices it needs to overcome depletion, but the reality of ECoE – especially where oil is concerned – suggests that the economics of the industry in many parts of the world really are in trouble. We can anticipate higher production from at least two OPEC countries – Iraq and Iran – and might extend this hope to Russia, though the costs of Russian production are far from encouraging. But US shale production alone is barely economic (if that), and has required, from the outset, subsidy, from optimistic investors and very insouciant lenders.

Whether ‘peak oil’ is brought about by cost-based supply constraint, or by the diminishing ability of customers to purchase petroleum, is something of a secondary consideration. But we do need to note that about 97% of all transport is powered by oil, with electric railways the only sizeable exception.

At the same time, we should dismiss the idea that we can somehow “decouple” the economy from energy. Fortunately, a quite superb recent report from the European Environmental Bureau (EEB) has debunked the concept of “decoupling” so comprehensively that we can defer detailed consideration to a later discussion.

“Our finding is clear”, the EEB report concludes – “the decoupling literature is a haystack without a needle”.

There – political leaders please note – goes your cherished ambition to deliver “sustainable growth”. ‘Sustainable’ is something to which we can and must aspire. But “growth” is not.

Transition is vital – but at what scale?

This, of course, takes us back to transition. I’ve aimed to leave nobody in any doubt about my belief in the imperative need to make this transition. I share the experts’ concern about climate change, and am horrified by many broader issues, such as the loss of habitats and species.

All of these consequences are a price far too high to pay for an obsession, rooted in quite recent history, with ‘growth at all costs’.

But I do question, very seriously indeed, whether we can wholly replace today’s use of fossil fuels with renewables, let alone use them to increase the aggregate supply of primary energy to the economy.

Financially, a capital requirement of $95tn to $110tn, even spread over thirty years, suggests that we need to be investing an average of about $3,400bn annually, against which actual spending (last year, $304bn) simply doesn’t cut it. Unit costs will continue to decrease. But so too – in a world with diminishing prosperity, and with a near-manic prioritization of immediate consumption over long-term investment – will our capacity for investment.

Then there’s the sheer volumetric scale of what needs to be done. In 2018, the world consumed more than 11,740 million tonnes of oil equivalent (mmtoe) of oil, gas and coal. Replacing that, again over thirty years, requires annual additions of output from renewables averaging 390 mmtoe, from a current base of 561 mmtoe. Last year’s actual increase was only 71 mmtoe, and the rate of capacity expansion has stalled. Even the 390 mmtoe number assumes no further increases in energy supply.

The third consideration, in addition to capital requirements and volumetric scale, is resources. Transition to full like-for-like replacement of fossil fuels would require vast material inputs, most obviously steel, copper and plastics. Ironically, the supply of these inputs currently relies very heavily indeed on the use of fossil fuels.

Back in the 1960s, the television series Thunderbirds looked ahead to a near future in which nearly everything – from cars and trucks to aeroplanes, ships, space rockets and, perhaps, even the humble lawnmower – was going to be nuclear-powered. Some of today’s portrayals of the future as a bigger, cleaner, glossier version of today look like similar techno-dreaming.

The idea that we’ll be driving just as many (or more) cars as we do today (except that they’ll be electric), and that we’ll be taking just as many flights (but in aeroplanes powered by batteries) seems pretty implausible.

Both economic and environmental reality suggest a need to embrace the concept of de-growth. The trick will be so to manage it that an economy that is smaller in size is also more in tune with human needs.

777 thoughts on “#155. The art of dark sky thinking

  1. Hi Tim
    Degrowth on the scale needed will involve rethinking everything, even down to the validity of needs.

    I have always returned to this passage in Baudrillard’s critique of Marx.

    “The liberation of productive forces is confused with the liberation of man: is this a revolutionary formula or that of political economy itself? Almost no one has doubted such ultimate evidence, especially not Marx, for whom men “begin to distinguish themselves from animals as soon as they begin to produce their means of subsistence …” (Why must man’s vocation always be to distinguish himself from animals? Humanism is an idée fixe which also comes from political economy – but we will leave that for now.)

    But is man’s existence an end for which he must find the means? These innocent little phrases are already theoretical conclusions: the separation of the end from the means is the wildest and most naive postulate about the human race. Man has needs. Does he have needs? Is he pledged to satisfy them? Is he labour power (by which he separates himself as means from himself as his own end)? These prodigious metaphors of the system that dominates us are a fable of political economy retold to generations of revolutionaries infected even in their political radicalism by the conceptual viruses of this same political economy.”

    Jean Baudrillard: The Mirror of Production

    • The validity of needs is a huge and tricky issue.

      It should, in theory, not be too difficult to distinguish between ‘needs’ and ‘wants’.

      At the extremes, it’s simple enough – ‘everyone needs food, nobody needs $1bn’.

      In detail and at a workable level, though, it’s a tough call.

  2. Thank you doctor Morgan, consice and clear as usual, last paragraphes reminded me what D.H Lawrence said “be still when you have nothing to say; when genuine passion moves you, say what you’ve got to say, and say it hot”. Hope people in power, in charge of making decisions, can read and understand your statements.

    • Thank you. I don’t think that interpretations like mine are something that those in power can afford or are willing even to contemplate, at least until things get significantly worse than they already are.

      After all, if they can’t even handle relatively simple issues like “Brexit” or Sino-US trade relations, how are they going to manage de-growth, or what scientist James Lovelock has called “sustainable retreat”?

  3. Tim,

    There is another issue that is both a tax on us and driving a lot of our destructive economic activity – land prices

    George Monbiot describes high rents and by implication house prices as a tax – here at

    https://www.monbiot.com/2019/07/19/private-taxation/

    Its also worth a look at

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/pjfxZM72Gj/house-buyer-time-machine

    In 1968 the couple could have bought a ‘forever’ house whereas now they can barely buy anything. This ties us into working more hours with all the resultant implications for longer.

    • Monetary policy, especially since 2008, has completely distorted the relationship between asset prices and incomes.

      In times past, this relationship was such that a person could, by saving from his or her income, acquire assets, including property and land. This has ceased to be possible because of the distortion of this relationship.

      This in turn ossifies ownership of assets in the hands of those to whom they already belong. This has happened, for a variety of reasons, at various times in history. The end result, usually, is some form of regime-change driven by the anger of the excluded.

    • There’s a good short book out that summarizes, from a leftist perspective, the hyper-commodification of real estate: “Capital City: Gentrification and the Real Estate State,” Samuel Stein.

  4. “To provide most of our power through renewables would take hundreds of times the amount of rare earth metals that we are mining today,” according to Thomas Graedel at the Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies.

    So renewable energy resources like windmills and solar PV can not ever replace fossil fuels, there’s not enough of many essential minerals to scale this technology up.

    http://energyskeptic.com/2014/high-tech-cannot-last-rare-earth-metals/

    • Indeed. Despite their name, most rare earths aren’t actually all that ‘rare’. But their production is horribly polluting, so they can’t make much of a positive contribution to transition.

      “Tech” itself is something we might usefully discuss here. It’s a label that’s very often applied incorrectly.

  5. When you quote the dollar figures of a transition, are you factoring the cost of energy storage? As in, batteries. Because you need storage when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow.

    When you employ batteries you get a deeply negative nett energy return.

    I am not sure why you even mention renewables, because a transition is impossible.

    • The figures cited aren’t mine, and following the link will take you to the detail. It does include storage. Whether current planning includes enough storage is another matter. One very persuasive study of a single UK wind project postulated that storage sufficient to overcome intermittency would cost about 10x the cost of the wind installation itself.

      As I see it, storage and intermittency are two of the biggest problems with scaling up renewables to replace FFs. Another is the extent to which the supply of required material inputs depends currently on FF inputs.

      Here’s a link to an excellent discussion of the storage issues.

  6. Dear Tim,

    As brilliantly demonstrated by R. Christopher Whalen in his 2011 « Inflated », inflation coupled with growth has always been the « easy solution » used by governments to « cover » their management « miscalculations ».

    In a context of limitless high EROEI energy availability, this has – with a few hicups – worked up to now.

    With the beginning of the Third Millennia, the energy paradigm has however begun to rapidly change and it is now apparent that we are now in the process of sliding increasingly fast down the Net energy cliff.

    Rapidly increasing energy costs coupled with a rapidly increasing global population level is clearly a recipe for global disaster.

    The usual solution provided in the past by Gaia to such an « energy imbalance problem » has been an extinction event.

    Un to now, contemprary human civilization has avoided this «energy phase change event »  by innovation, in particular by switching from wood to coal and oil & gas to sustain growth, both in population number and economic output.

    « Creative accounting and monetary policy » has up to now masked « the real problem » from the eyes of the many but will not prevent Gaia from relatively soon implementing it’s « usual solution ».

    If that « general solution » was to be implemented, high tech civilization would be destroyed with the rest of humanity along with life as we know it planetwide. You cannot with impunity lose control of the currently existing 450 nuclear fission reactors and of the large number of «nuclear wasterproduct cooling ponds »…

    The most straightforward solution to avoid « Gaia’s axe » is, of course, to rapidly « put commercially online » a new compact high EROEI energy source, such as an aneutronic fusion reactor. The EROEI of wind and solar energy is simply not high enough to make a difference. Furthermore, they do not provide energy on a continuous basis and therefore require expensive storage or backup facilities. This has to be taken into account when calculating the real cost of the energy they provide.

    The other « solution » to avoid Gaia’s « classic type of intervention » is to find a way to curtail numbers before she does and in such a way as to preserve a high tech civilization capable of subsequently « taking things forward » while maintaining the continuous stability of the above mentioned nuclear assets.

    Although no politician would dare publicly even mention that « option », I am far from convinced that some key stakeholders are not currently thinking about it.

    Yet, reduced numbers would only temporarily dim the pressure on remaining strategic planetary ressources, in particular high EROEI energy resources. At best, it would only provide some additional time to first develop new high EROEI energy sources to transition away from fossil fuels and then to expand the strategic ressource base beyond Earth’s cradle.

    Elon Musk is right, humanity will be in constant danger of extinction as long as all its assets are located on Gaia. Asteroids with Earth crossing orbits are numerous and it is only a question of time before a simple one mile diameter « whopper » slams us out of existence, as one did with the dinosaurs 75 million years ago.

    Hence, humanity needs the « insurance policy » of living on multiple planets, both to secure an expanded strategic resource base and for cosmic risk management.

    Only « high tech » civilization can provide that.

    Going back « medieval » is therefore not an option, not only because it cannot take care of our existing deadly nuclear assets but also because it is incapable of preventing our probable extinction from a deadly asteroid with an Earth crossing orbit.

    Now, a bunker manned by a few well intentioned preppers is not going to ensure the long-term survival of high tech civilization, even if they are billionaires.

    Hence, key questions are:

    1) What is the smallest subset of humanity that could ensure the long-term survival of high tech civilization in the current planetary context, what would be its composition and where would you locate it ?

    2) How do you preempt Gaia’s « usual solution » from being relatively shortly delivered to humanity?

    Coming hard choices to make, if humanity ever gets to make get…

    John  

    • You cover a lot of ground here!

      Where Gaia is concerned, I’m a huge admirer of the work of James Lovelock.

      Unless we choose to downsize (right across the spectrum), it’s likely to be forced on us. This comes down to our ability, intelligence and adaptability. We have a tendency, history seems to demonstrate, to leave hard choices until they’re forced upon us. This does not augur well for adaptability.

  7. The vast majority of global food production is dependent on fossil fuels to supply fertilizer, power farm equipment, and enable food distribution. Without fossil fuels there is no chance that we will be able to continue to feed the current population. Unfortunately, this is not something that can be ramped-down over thirty years. As soon as fossil fuels become unaffordable (either because of rising prices or lower incomes), people will begin to starve. Has anyone proposed a credible solution to this predicament?

    • Yes, you are right, and no, nobody (in a position of authority or influence) has proposed solutions.

      I’d add water to this equation. With cheap and abundant energy, desalination would solve this problem. Without it, though, we’re already seeing worsening water supply problems. Parts of Australia and South Africa are examples.

    • IIRC, the agri sector oil use is about 3% in most countries. Assuming we triple it for transportation and other stuff, it still in the 10% ballpark.

      What I mean here is that there is a lot of items lower than the agri sector in the energy triage list once triage will become necessary. I’m much more worried about water (both dry spells & wet spells) and choatic weather and topsoil losses than oil. For now.
      In the Agri sector itself, products are very unequal in their energy/water intensity, and here too there is optimization potential.

      The second thing is that in the EU about 30-50% of agricultural output is wasted. (i.e. is bought but ends into the trash). This could be much improved IMO. With a bit of planning, we got down to less than 10% in my familly.

      A last positive note is that energy use could be trimmed down quite a bit without going back too much in life comfort. For example, all the heating fuel could be displaced by electricty using heat pumps AND building insulation can then shave off 50% on top of it. Heating fuel/gas represents 18% of primary energy use in my country. If you move to heat pump + insulation those 18% fossils can be replaced by about 5% electricity.

      We have quite a bit of leeway, IF we are ready to do triage and change priorities. We could cut our energy use by > 50% and live well enough. However if one decide that WE Ibiza trips are non-negotiable then yeah, we are screwed.

      Sustainable degrowth is a narrow path, but the only one where we don’t end up in a ditch.

    • Good points, some of which were in my mind when I started this article with reference to optimism.

      Whether we can walk the narrow path is, I agree, the critical question. That’s going to come down to human nature, and the ability to adapt.

      These are topics to which I’ve devoted a lot of attention, though I’m more than reluctant to write about them. I will just say, though, that the conflict between selfishness and wisdom seems central to it. It’s not too much of an over-simplification to say that an economic ideology based on greed and the promotion of self-interest has helped bring us to where we are now.

      Quite a lot of this is going to come down to leadership, in a wider sense than simply government and politics. On the political side, current indications aren’t promising, though allowance has to be made for (a) a lack of understanding of the energy economy, and (b) the sense that elites in various parts of the world are ‘fighting a rearguard action’.

    • In his comment Jackson Howard alludes to a future date when “triage will become necessary.” I suspect that that’s wishful thinking. I see no evidence to suggest that our rulers will accept any lessening of their wealth and power for the benefit of others, and any mechanism by which they might be compelled to do so is not visible at present. The tremendous waste produced by the agricultural industry is an artifact of this very issue – waste ensures limited supply, thereby keeping profits at a level acceptable to the producers.

      Dr. Tim, you’re right to flag water as a critical issue as well, particularly “fossil” (i.e. aquifer) water, which cannot be replenished in any time scale relevant to human beings. Where I live, in California, aquifers in the Central Valley are approaching absolute depletion, threatening the viability of farming in much of the state. The same is true of the US Midwest, where water from the huge Ogalalla aquifer has sustained corn and soybean farming for decades on land that otherwise would only be able to support shortgrass prairie. Wikipedia says that “Some estimates indicate the remaining volume could be depleted as soon as 2028.”

      Of course, the farmers’ response is to scream for an even larger share of the very limited surface water in these semi-arid areas, and to blame those who are trying to prevent the collapse of ecosystems by limiting withdrawals from rivers and reservoirs. In this case, at least, I feel fairly certain that there will be a form of triage, as environmental protections are abandoned so that something resembling business as usual can continue to be carried out for as long as possible.

  8. An Existential Dilemma; How Nature Addressed It
    I will recommend an excellent book on how Nature (evolution) manages to provide a usefully stable but also dynamically responsive supply of energy in the eukaryotic body:
    Mitochondria and the Future of Medicine: The Key to Understanding Disease, Chronic Illness, Aging, and Life Itself
    written by Lee Know, Naturopathic Doctor

    Know takes us through the cellular mechanisms which supply us energy when we need it, how the body both makes destructive free radicals but also uses free radicals as signaling mechanisms for adaptation, how the technology of civilization allows humans to produce surplus food which exceeds Nature’s buffering capacity and thus generates all sorts of chronic disease, and the prospects for self-discipline to avoid the problems. So the issues range from quantum tunneling in the electron cascade up to the Free Market imperative to make a profit by selling people food that will kill them, and the difficulty people have in terms of ignoring some powerful impulses in order to behave as science indicates would be in their best interests.

    If one has the time to make the foray into biology, one begins to draw parallels which pose the question:
    Is civilization the answer or conversely the problem? Are humans smart enough to ‘enhance’ the natural world with cleverness without killing themselves and all the creatures large enough for us to actually see with our naked eyes? Is death really inevitable for the humans at the top of the food chain? Or are we destined to be food for the worms?

    Don Stewart

  9. As an IFA, it is become a near-impossible task to advise clients what to do with capital, whether wrapped up in a pension plan or otherwise. We have seen a decade or more of frankly distorted returns from financial assets and Dr Morgan seems to be ‘on the button’ about ‘futurity’, as indecision about whether to hold equities, bonds, commodities, property, cash, etc rises amongst those I meet. Whilst I still believe that equities are probably the best long-term bet, these are going to offer, I think, modest returns compared with the past and enhanced capital risk.

    However, the biggest problem is in the ‘space’ where much of my work is, the retirement sector. DB schemes have wilted and the cost of annuities has increased significantly in recent weeks. Like Dr Morgan, I do fear a spike in inflation and it has to be noted that 90%+ of annuities bought are fixed in payment. Whilst that is manageable in times of low inflation, I foresee a big problem with this quite soon as the price of basics rises (retailers just can’t absorb much more in the way of increased costs).

    The only retirement contract that both insures against longevity risk and hedges against inflation is a life annuity that is linked to the retail prices index (RPI). I like to call this a “real annuity”. These are very expensive, about 40%-50% more costly than the alternative.

    This alternative is an annuity that is not linked to the RPI, perhaps best described as a “nominal annuity”. A small handful of individuals that purchase nominal annuities include escalation at, say, 3% per annum compound, but this significantly adds to the cost of the annuity and is an imperfect hedge against inflation.

    I am fortunate in that many of my clients are able to afford a real annuity – the default choice in FCA-prescribed pension illustrations – or have sufficient state and DB pensions to hedge against inflation, making the purchase of a nominal annuity acceptable.

    The alternative under present UK legislation is to remain invested and draw down income from the pot. But where can one invest in the knowledge of crushed returns on capital nowadays? With equities looking like 3.25% per annum return at best and bonds 0.15%, I see people who have been pushed very far up the risk spectrum by unscrupulous ‘advisers’ and remain invested. These advisers, and the underlying investments are very expensive, thus likely eliminating the prospect of a real return on capital. The adviser and portfolio managers gather their percentage fees, whereas with an annuity, there is just one fee to earn on establishment. My cynicism about this is justified, I think.

    Hold on to your hats!

    • Mark, IMO, the only real alternative to an annuity or other pension benefits, or holding financial instruments that one can count on is to own and have a multi-generational homestead, within a community of such, or in a voluntary community such as an eco village. I.e., own (personally, or in common) the resource base you need for food, water, shelter, clothing and heating, with a mix of people with varying real world (i.e., not digital, symbolic manipulation -based) production skills. Not risk-free, of course, but a certain sort of person will think it a better option than worrying about when the pension plan, or the issuer of the annuity will declare bankruptcy, or when hyperinflation or new legal regimes manufactured on the fly to protect the “wealth” of TPTB like bail-ins will render the holdings worthless. What happened to large depositors in Cyprus, many of whom were retirees hoping to live off those savings, should have served as a huge wake-up call to everyone.

      Tim, you really hit it out of the park with this essay, thank you!. Very clear thinking and exposition. Your remarks about the illusory nature of the idea that money is a “store of value” and futurity are seriously rattling and merit real attention and realization – in a real come to Jesus kind of way.

    • “As an IFA, it is become a near-impossible task to advise clients what to do with capital”

      Energy generator shares and bonds?

      Targeted QE for energy generators to keep their costs of borrowing down while they attempt some kind of transition away from fossil fuels appears to me to be the path of least resistance for governments and central banks.

  10. I keep seeing figures mentioned for the proportion of food that ends up wasted, it varies regionally but seems around 25% globally,

    to me this seems like a pretty reliable supply of feedstock to use in anaerobic digesters to generate bio gas that can be used for heating, cooking, electricity generation and transportation, the other output is a liquid npk fertiliser for agricultural use,

    combine this with human and domesticated animal excrement, the other source of anaerobic digester feedstock, and you have a pretty steady supply of bio gas,

    I know farms and rural villages in India have been using this technology for decades, the technology is remarkably simple yet quite clever, it can be done with very little or no mechanisation and hence little or no additional energy input,

    I’ve not found any quantification of it’s potential energy value if implemented globally but it must be enough to cover some of the basic needs?

    they were still using buses with gas bags on the roof in some parts of China in the 60’s,
    I saw a film about a Chinese rice spirit distillery that is using an anaerobic digester to generate it’s electricity using the bio gas to run a converted diesel generator,
    in rural India it’s used for gas cooking hobs, gas lighting and using a simple adaptor to run Honda generators and irrigation pumps,
    I’ve even seen rooftop anaerobic digesters in urban India using just food waste to supply gas for cooking and the fertiliser used for rooftop and backyard gardens,

    concievably every suburban and rural household in the UK could have their own domestic anaerobic digester set up to handle their organic waste and run a petrol engined small car with a gas bag conversion for local journeys, it can be dual fuel so you revert to petrol if the gas runs out.
    I could fabricate all of this from commonly available materials but I can’t fabricate solar cells or EV batteries from scratch.

    urban areas need only channel all their sewerage and food waste to a municipal anaerobic digester plant next to a gas accumulator and the bio gas could go straight into the local gas supply or run the towns buses with gas bag conversions.

    livestock farms and food processing factories can have their own digester-generator plant if they produce sufficient feedstock,

    it’s not a deleriously sexy and technological solution but it is already a well established and developed technology that’s been displaced by the era of copiously available cheap oil.

    • OR, instead of burning it all for electricity, driving hither and thither and adding carbon to the sky, we could learn to live with a lot less electricity, compost the waste and regenerate our soil for local food production.

    • On average a human produces enough s**t to make enough gas to boil a kettle every day.

      If you have some sort of collection system – eg the sewage network you can get a useful amount of gas but not much more than that. Obviously if you have say a pig or chicken farm then things my look more attractive but it is never going to be a massive energy source.

      There is also a not insignificant risk of blowing the whole thing up if you are not careful which tends to rule out domestic installations

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  13. Tim thanks for your latest post. I have again tried to spread the word in the Telegraph- but only got one person to respond who commented ‘Long but interesting ‘

    It seems that most – on opposing sides of Brexit – ate too busy arguing and trading insults to take much notice of the dangers we are in. A bit like two pilots having a heated discussion as to why their jet isn’t flying properly and is doing so fail to realise that they’re entering a stall.

    Of course if petrol and diesel became scarce rationing could ensure that there was enough for agriculture and haulage but that us not a long-term solution.

    Now I’m wondering how much more resources including I’d course energy would be needed to change electronic – white goods and clothes from having a relatively short life to a long one.

    My Samsung Galaxy 7 is 3.5 years old and still performs well except for the battery which has started losing charge at an alarming rate.

    No problem- just buy a new battery – but you can’t because Samsung have designed the phone so that it cannot be changed.

    They said it means they can make the phone a little slimmer and cram more in – but that sounds like a weak reason.

    Now with white goods I had a washing machine made by Hoover which lasted for 14 years.

    I bought a near identical model as a replacement and that went up in smoke after only 2 years. It is clear that manufacturers have been reducing the quality of components and build / design quality to maintain profits (the recent tumble dryer scandal is a good example)

    So again just how much more resources do we need to manufacture quality long lasting goods. We would also have to stop manufacturers from adding built in redundancy.

    Donald

    • Good points Donald

      Just on “Brexit”, I’m getting pretty annoyed about this farce now, even though I’ve been studiously neutral on the merits of “Brexit” itself.

      I’ve no strong opinion on Mr Johnson, but many of his opponents are being, shall we say, ‘less than frank’.

      “Blocking no deal” really means “stopping Brexit”. If “no deal” is ruled out, there’s zero chance of Brussels giving enough ground for a deal acceptable to the UK to be agreed. Mr Johnson’s opponents really ought to come clean about this.

      Many of these opponents were elected on manifestos – Tory and Labour – which committed their parties, and them, to enacting the referendum decision. The only proper way, it seems to me, in which Tory or Labour MPs can try to stop “Brexit” is to resign the whip, then become independents or join an anti-“Brexit” party.

      My sense of things is that the country now splits three ways, not two. There are Leavers, there are Remainers, and there are ‘the frustrated’, who just want these people to sort it out. That third group is likely to support Mr Johnson in a general election. If that’s the case, then, ultimately, the die-hard opponents of “Brexit” are on a loser.

      Meanwhile, GBP is falling, and indecision is making an already-vulnerable economy worse.

    • Actually Dominic Grieve was a vice of reason on this mornings Breakfast news program.

      He was durectcand honest in saying that the EU is a trading bloc and that they will not budge. He expects to lose the whip.

      I think that Boris is in a bigger mess than Theresa.

    • Sorry I’m still using my mobile phone and typing errors are frequent.

      ‘Voice of reason’

      He is just saying how he feels now in terms of leaving without a deal is not a good idea

      Remember Boris saying that a deal was the easy part- which it clearly isn’t.

      If we could have got a good deal then I’m sure Dominic would have been happier- but it’s his job to spell out the downsides so his electorate are not misled.

    • Of course a deal is desirable, and ‘no deal’ would not be good.

      But, aren’t you likeliest to get a deal by telling Brussels that the UK will walk away unless they compromise? I can’t see it working otherwise. They’ll just dig their heels in, no acceptable deal will be reached, and “Brexit” won’t happen. Everyone knows that’s what these “rebels” have as their ultimate aim – so it would be far better if they’d say so. If they said “we’re trying to stop ‘Brexit'”, that would at least have the merit of candour.

      Second, nobody is forced to run for Parliament on a manifesto to which they cannot subscribe.

      Lastly, if these “rebels” succeed in preventing “Brexit” – thus overturning the result of the referendum – the anger, and not by any means just from “leave” voters, is likely to be intense.

    • Oliver North pointed out quite rightly that Brexit is a process, not a date & that we will be locked into negotiations for years unless we elect to revoke Article 50

    • I don’t think Brussels will ever budge Tim.

      Although the MPs were mandated through the last election to deliver Brexit I can’t imagine they were prepared for the awful deal that May negotiated.

      I respect their opposition to no deal – despite the mandate – as a no deal will be very damaging.

      I understand your point about the voters but I doubt anyone could have envisioned the almighty mess the process has turned into.

      The Conservatives have now lost their majority – perhaps worse will follow.

    • We are, it seems, meant to buy shoddy goods that perform well for only a handful of years, with credit imprudently entered in to: such a fine model!

      One no longer viable in the light of the resource crunch, and another example of deep-ingrained irrationality.

      What was the Victorian saying? ‘I’m not so rich as to buy cheap goods.’

      Wonderful article, many thanks to our host – and produced despite the heatwave!

  14. Generally, one has, I suggest, to ditch the notion of ‘comfort’.

    You know, in Spain this is actually referred to as ‘English comfort’ (certainly in my own landowning family, well-off since forever) , such amenities having been mostly unknown until 20th century modernisation! Just look at old Spanish furniture……

    But what do I see when I try to look at something interesting on Youtube? That annoying ad for a Google thing you can talk to that lets you be even lazier and self-indulgent than ever , as if that were possible.

    What to replace ennervating comfort with, as an ideal?

    That which enables you to survive to the next day – as with most of our ancestors for most of history.

  15. ‘At the extremes, it’s simple enough – ‘everyone needs food, nobody needs $1bn’.

    A good comment Tim reminding me of a book by Robert Peston ‘Who runs Britain’

    In it he says that many of the richest people have no real interest in money per se.

    So in this context we can see the creation of FIAT currencies as a way that the few can manipulate / influence the many.

    His pal Phillip Green is mentioned many times but even dear Phillip is struggling a bit at the moment as the Highstreet continues to fold.

    Perhaps – in say 50 years time – if we’ve managed to transition in our energy use – people will be far less greedy with the thought of status and wealth alien concepts.

    Of course they’ll always be a few after power – but just imagine communities living off sustainable resources and happy within themselves knowing they have a real future.

    • Well I certainly enjoyed his book back in around 2009. I used to read it on the way to work – but as my train journey time had been reduced to 15 minutes (before the train had to stop at Stratford International) instead of 45 I was always in a bit of a rush.

      The joys of the then new HS1 line.

      I would hazard a guess that many of the super rich he mentioned are not quite as wealthy as they were.

      But who can spend £1bn anyway – you’d draw so much attention to yourself that your security bill would be very high.

      Mark Zuckerberg apparently has to spend $100m per year for his safety – what sort of a life is that?

  16. God’s Angel to Earth
    God, sitting on a throne somewhere just outside the Universe we know about, has become alarmed about conditions on Earth. Dysfunction everywhere. Chickens without heads, etc., etc. So God does what gods do, and calls in a trusted Angel to go and fix things. That turns out to be You. Having recently been in charge of stopping the nuclear war on Sirius 9, you get out your biology textbook to brush up on the eukaryotic energy system which evolved a few billion years ago on Earth. Here is a sampling of what you learn, or brush up on. You find the analysis of strokes leading to death or severe impairment to be informative:
    *First, nobody (except Economists and Politicians) thinks that stroke is about money…it’s about energy.
    *The functioning of a eukaryotic cell is entirely dependent on an energy system fundamentally dependent on the sun and photosynthesis. The heart and the brain store a tiny amount of energy at any given moment, and thus are entirely dependent for survival for even 5 minutes on a continuous supply of the ingredients to make energy in the mitochondria. Most of those ingredients are stored in organs in forms which can be quickly accessed by the mitochondria…such as sugar and fat. But the mitochondria also depend on a reliable and rapid supply of oxygen, which of course depends on the health of the organs, which of course depends on previous work performed by the mitochondria to build and maintain them.
    *In a stroke, the supply of oxygen is interrupted. Which means that energy cannot be produced with oxidation.
    *The organs attempt to use anerobic methods, but those work for only a few minutes.
    *You find the analysis of cerebral strokes to be quite informative. It turns out that much of the damage to the brain happens not initially, but after the initial blockage of oxygen has been cleared.
    *Thus, one conclusion is that medical intervention may make things worse by trying to save the whole brain, rather than somehow containing the damage to that which has already been done.

    As an Angel, you are gifted with the ability to see the heart of matters, without all the fog that humans create or try to peer through. So you conclude that:
    *If oxygen and energy have been reduced, then get rid of the high energy consumers to permit the rest of the body to avoid the continued destruction.
    *Which gets you involved in the psychology and plain, raw, power politics on Earth which seems to be trying to preserve the Billionaires at all cost.
    *You observe that virtually no one is talking about efficient energy production and use, subject to the limits on the fossil fuels that humans discovered a few hundred years ago.
    *You observe the delusion that by printing pieces of paper, humans can survive in an energy dysfunctional world…they don’t understand thermodynamics.
    *There are many other problems, such as the destruction of the web of life and global warming, but your immediate problem may be thought of as: the patient is having a series of mini-strokes, and there is no coherent response by the humans who seem to be running the planet.
    *You decide that Triage is called for…the high energy consumers need to be killed off quickly in order to save the more rational parts of Creation.
    *Then it occurs to you that you can rely on the humans to kill themselves through warfare.
    *So you take your well-deserved afternoon nap.

    Don Stewart

  17. On the subject of high-speed rail I notice the HS2 has been delayed for 5 years.

    Hopefully it’ll be never be given the full go ahead as by 2024 costs could have risen even further.

    Just think what a difference the billions spent already could have made to local transport infrastructure.

    • Water shortages would also seem to be something of a negative indicator for the so-called ‘Northern Powerhouse’, as mystifying as that might seem to the denizens of those damp regions.

      In resource terms -abundant, energy-dense, etc, – the North, Britain, Europe as a whole – are exhausted.

      Human society can only be sustained if it lives within the solar budget, employing only that which flows and grows with the natural cycle.

  18. Tim, in the above essay you note,

    “These “costs”, to be sure, are dauntingly large numbers. IRENA – the International Renewable Energy Agency – has costed transition at between $95 trillion and $110tn. These equate to between 619 and 721 Apollo programmes at the current-equivalent cost ($153bn) of putting a man on the Moon.”

    Coincidentally, Tad Patzek over at LifeItself has been publishing a series of articles setting forth his projections for fossil fuels, and what it would take to keep fossil fuel production going and smooth out the decline somewhat under various assumptions regarding future production. In his latest post, he emphasizes, “that the cost of my forecasts will be astronomical over the next 20 years, and I doubt that the global economy will be able to support spending 14 trillion dollars for new oil and 8 trillion dollars for new gas. To put these numbers into perspective, my forecast in Figures 2 and 3 predicts that roughly two trillion dollars will be spent on drilling and completing the US shale wells alone. The US shales will deliver almost all of American oil and gas production in the future. If one were to scale up the US shale drilling program to the world, the overall cost of the new development projects would be two times higher than the $22 trillion over the next 20 years I have quoted from IEA, BP, OPEC et al. Forty four trillion dollars is 1/2 of the world GDP in 2018.”

    These numbers, and more importantly the scale of the coordinated, world-wide effort that they indicate is needed, have no parallel in recorded human history that I know of. To me, they indicate why what must occur, to transition, will not occur. Sure, the Fed apparently created around $29 Trillion back in 2008 to save the financial system but that involved creating digits on screens affecting a virtual world of financial instruments and account statements, not a real world activity of obtaining, processing and distributing and managing fossil fuels, and with massive reorganization of lifestyles.

    Tim, I am a careful enough reader to know that you are not doing this, but forgive me if I vent a pet peeve. It is not uncommon in articles about climate change or transitioning to renewables to read an appeal about what we must start doing now; time is up and we must change now. Missing from this sort of appeal, and not tempered by it, is some frank acknowledgement about the disturbing fact that many far-sighted individuals have tried to alert us to the dangers for well over a century, with zero effect on our species’ insouciance, and zero course change.

    Near the beginning of the industrial revolution in England, in Unto this Last, initially published in monthly installments in 1860, John Ruskin tried to warn people of the adverse effects of industrial capitalism on the human spirit and the natural world. His articles were so violently criticized that the publisher had to stop publishing them after four months. Ruskin later published them in a book in 1862.

    That work later inspired Gandhi, with some adverse effects on the English empire, but on the whole, zero overall course change.

    In America, around the same time, we had Emerson and Thoreau chiming in on the noxious spiritual and other effects of the incipiently developing but apparently always non-negotiable American way of life. Zero course change.

    Let’s not forget the numerous artists whose work addressed the problems with our world view, economic system, societal structure and lip-service morality, such as Charles Dickens, William Blake, Mary Shelly, Victor Hugo, Bernard Shaw, etc. Zero course change.

    Far more recently, and directly to the point, a group of scientists published The Limits to Growth in 1972 about the dangers and insanity of endless growth on a finite planet, and were roundly mocked and criticized. The computer model did not account for our limitless human ingenuity!
    After 47 years, still zero course change.

    Throughout at least the last one hundred sixty years, the world did not lack for prophets who clearly saw and described the unfolding horror or who tried to change course. Although an American, I still was tuned in enough to pick up the mockery and ribbing that Prince Charles was subject to back in the 80s and 90s for his “quaint” concerns with architecture, land conservancy and English agriculture. Fast forward 30-some years and the English are stockpiling tins of food bracing for a hard Brexit, because England cannot feed itself, and the land is more dotted with fugly housing and commercial developments plopped down on once verdant fields. Yea, Prince Charles was a laugh riot. Zero course change.

    Unfortunately for the natural world, our species seems to be incapable, collectively, of perceiving “the intertemporal mismatch of costs and benefits,” (h/t, Steve Ludlum), to recognize that “costs tend to be permanent while benefits are transient or imaginary.” Nothing but massive pain and suffering will stop our insanity. We are incapable of listening to and acting upon the prophecies of the “Fivers” of our species (see sparknotes.com/lit/watership/character/fiver/ if you don’t recognize the reference), and far, far prefer to be guided by swaggering morons on the make. I do not see this changing when the pain ratchets up, I suspect it will just get worse.

    But from the bottom of my heart, thanks for being Fiver, Tim. Some of us see the snare warren for what it is, and I am very grateful for this forum that you provide.

    • Very well said.

      We might add to the list of – ignored – 19th century prophets the writer and naturalists Richard Jefferies, who wrote ‘After London’, a futuristic fiction novel in which great world metropolis sinks in to a swamp poisoned by industrial pollution, the toxic waters being the only lasting legacy of Victorian greatness.

      He also wrote, in his spiritual biography, that what horrified him was the fact of being heirs to the mistakes of countless generations, piling up over the centuries. Not far off, wasn’t he?!

  19. The mammoth in the room is waste in all its current forms. From subsistance villages come the lessons we ‘educated’ peoples from ‘rich’ countries have to re-learn. People living there are so poor that there is almost zero waste out of absolute necessity. After a meal, plates are washed and this water (drawn from sources far away with precious human energy) is carefully poured onto useful plants to store for the future. Chickens rush to peck at any stray grains that fall to the ground, waste not, want not is the difference between life and death, they have no choice but to recognise that waste can lead to poverty, pain and even death.

    Contrast that to the other extreme where swathes of the planet are rendered moonscape for rare earth minerals for cellphones for example, while in ‘rich’ countries like the UK every home has a drawer with several old models gathering dust. These are destined to pollute in expensive landfills despite being a much more concentrated source of those same desired minerals already here available right now for new electronic gadgets. (with a bonus of providing jobs in this transition)
    The neoliberal era of destroying the balances of capitalism has disabled the point where waste recycling would have been the obvious and preferred competitive option as a natural stabiliser.

    As for the chemo-agricultural industrial food-production system, if ineptitude gives margins of waste of the magnitude of 25%+ from field to plate, you could argue that it would be better to skip the steps of poisoning the land with toxicides against pests and competitors like weeds to increase yield. That would result in a healthier environment for the same yield/profit, with less hydrocarbon input to boot. Nothing will change though, our civilization has reached the limits of ‘intelligence’, we are unable to effect the changes needed, some individuals see, but the mass lacks empathy for others and even the vision and discipline for personal survival. The cockroaches will win this round.

  20. “Back in the 1960s, the television series Thunderbirds looked ahead to a near future in which nearly everything – from cars and trucks to aeroplanes, ships, space rockets and, perhaps, even the humble lawnmower – was going to be nuclear-powered. Some of today’s portrayals of the future as a bigger, cleaner, glossier version of today look like similar techno-dreaming.”

    We do not need nuclear powered aeroplanes. We already have nuclear powered ships. What we need most of all is fast neutron nuclear power reactors in the 1000MWe+ range. This is the only technology capable of scaling in the timescale of interest to levels that can replace the energy that we presently obtain from fossil fuels at a tolerable ECoE. There are no serious technological issues preventing us from building this technology up to the scale needed in 2-3 decades. The integral fast reactor programme was essentially ready for commercialisation in the early 1990s. Only politics and foolish idealism now stands in its way. You can read all about it here.

    Click to access PlentifulEnergy.pdf

  21. Sober Reading
    Kris DeDecker on the very limited prospects for a Circular Economy:
    https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2018/11/how-circular-is-the-circular-economy.html

    If we want to save the planet, we simply have to use less and use simpler materials such as wood.
    If we want to live within an energy budget consistent with increasing ECoE, we simply have to use less and use simpler materials such as wood.

    So long, Sustainable Development Goals.
    Don Stewart

  22. On Sky news Harriet Baldwin has just been interviewed.

    She has claimed that the economy is 20% bigger since the Conservatives came to power.

    I wonder if she actually knows the percentage which has been funded by u sustainable debt and is just keeping quiet.

    • Thanks Tim – I wonder what the response of the Treasury would be if presented with these figures.

      It was interesting that she claimed that due to fiscal responsibility the Conservatives had 15bn extra for essential services.

      However this was questioned by the interviewer who said that due to Brexit many top economists have said that the figure could be as low as 5bn.

      She replied saying that the 15bn figure was correct due again to her Conservatives’ fiscal responsibility.

      A bit evasive to say the least.

    • Probably dismiss it as irrelevant. Most politicians are clueless about economics. Remember the end of “boom and bust”? They rely on advice from practitioners of ‘conventional’ economics. Even then, they use it selectively. The OBR has good people and produces excellent data, but its forecasting record (on UK growth) is lamentable.

    • Well that’s interesting – important data right in front of them which they would dismiss.

      Just been watching the PMs question time. It’s been more enjoyable than any soap opera.

      Boris is still saying he wants a deal but in the real World apparently hasn’t presented any new version to the EU.

      It’s also very noticeable how many questions do not get answered properly or the real facts buried.

      For example the much vaunted new money for schools. Private Eye reports that it won’t be available until 2022/23 term and then will be gobbled up by much needed pay rises for teachers.

      Panorama reported on just how badly many schools have been affected by austerity with staff cuts and yet the demand us increasing.

      On a positive note one school was teaching their pupils about resource management.

      Now of course it’s not much use blaming the Government for things that are totally out of their control (the cost of energy although they could be doing a lot more to transition us and not signing silly reactor deals).

      So if they can’t raise taxes or increase real GDP to fund extra spending the answer will have to be some redistribution.

    • But he might be presenting proposals to Mrs Merkel etc first?

      On nuclear, they chose the wrong design. But they didn’t want to pay for it, so they chose the one where the builders finance it, and get repaid through higher prices. Nuts – government can borrow more cheaply than any private contractor!

      Redistribution is going to be imperative, as prosperity deteriorates, and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s ‘the big battleground’ in the politics of the near future.

    • Well I hope he is presenting new details although the EU have said they’ve not received any new proposals (this was from a reporter outside the EU headquarters this morning)

      There is also this from the Guardian yesterday.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/brussels-baffled-by-boris-johnsons-brexit-progress-claims

      Regarding redistribution the shadow chancellor wants to force Landlords to sell their properties to tenants at below market prices .

      Now that really is crazy – I’m sure you don’t need me to tell you all the downsides.

      Well at least HS2 has been delayed although expensive work is still being allowed to continue.

      If your blog still exists in 5 years time I wonder where the World economy will be. Perhaps we’ll look back on 2019 with envy.

  23. McConnell has done a very impressive response to Sajid Javid’s latest spending plans.

    However he didn’t say where the extra money would come from.

  24. Circular Economy; Finland vs. Kris DeDecker
    Krista Mikkonen, Finland’s Minister of the Environment and Climate Change: “The time for excuses is over… we are aiming at making the circular economy the foundation of the new economy.” Finland holds the current presidency of E.U. and will be C-neutral by 2035.

    I think it all depends on how one defines ‘circular’. As DeDecker defines it, it is recycling all the products we make now with abundant fossil fuels. I am not sure how Mikkonen defines it…but if it is reversion to a wood based economy, it might be pretty accurate. Somehow, I doubt she can sell that to the EU.

    Don Stewart

  25. Building a new energy infrastructure for a low intensity economy is going to cost a lot of fossil fuel. Maintaining our current status quo AND building new infra at the same time looks impossible to me. Without electricity we go back to the middle ages in an eyeblink, so to me there’s no choice but degrow now and use the fossils to build something sustainable.

    Birth control on world scale, i can imagine the hilarity …

    We can do this, but not with 7 billion people. In due time the core will be surrounded by many Venezuelas, disrupting energy flows etc.

    Worldwide birth control, cooperation and honest leadership. Or we are in serious trouble. My guess is we won’t make it.

    • I remember someone in the 1970s handing out contraceptives in Africa to try and stop and stop an exploding birth rate .

      Futile but at least he was trying

    • If the near-certainty of AIDS can’t stop primitive people fornicating, nothing can, except Death itself.

      Who may very well oblige us by turning up with a spectacular Global World Tour – a last bow for the fans….

    • Ayn Rand wrote about racism being a characteristic of primitive people, so I don’t know quite where she would fit in on list of smart people who today’s paleolithic SJW ideologues would just love to beat hack to death with warthog thighbones and rough flint blades, but she’d definitely be on it somewhere.

      Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

      I don’t think for one minute that Xabier was doing any of the things Rand describes above. He was simply judging people based on the character of their actions. Mind you, he does like to call a spade a spade.

    • Racism is based on how people look, not their genetic makeup. Victims of lynchings in the American South did not have their genes checked before being hung from the tree.

      Comparing “primitive” to an inability to stop from fornicating (and thus spreading AIDS) is IMO most certainly an allusion to racist thinking, and would land that way on any racism averse American. Especially Blacks. As far as I can tell, fornication is a pretty universal adult human behavior.

      BTW, in the U.S., “spade is a spade” is also perceived as offensive by many, especially African Americans. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/02/13-other-racist-cliches-headline-writers-need-avoid/331508/

      And “today’s paleolithic SJW ideologues” is also pretty offensive. And unnecessary to make your argument. “Social justice warriors” is a favorite term of reactionary/right wing populists to denigrate people who fight against racism. Which, as Dr. Morgan observes, is the real loathsome ideology.

      Tim Groves: I suspect you are well aware of these last two meanings by the evidence of your own political ideology visible to anyone here: https://oeyama.wordpress.com/about/
      In addition to referencing Ayn Rand for the definition of anything.

    • I’m glad to read that you loathe racism, Dr. Tim. But making racist remarks and being accused of making racist remarks are two quite different things.

      There’s a cultural revolution going on in America and Europe today being conducted by self-identifying anti-racism activists among other radicals, one of the tenets of which is that all white people are inherently racist and they all have to own up to being racist in order to begin to cleanse themselves of this loathsome disease. It’s reminiscent of going to an AA meeting and and admitting that one is an alcoholic.

      Perhaps this trend has not yet reached the genteel Balearic Islands yet, or seeped very deeply into your particular field of expertise, but it is moving insidiously through mainstream culture and crippling what passes for politics and academic life. Conservatives and normal run-of-the-mill middle and working class white people in general are unsure of what to do. In public, mostly they are tiptoeing and self-censoring in an effort to keep below the radar. But some are stepping up to the plate and admitting their thoughtcrime, acknowledging their mark of Cain…

      Schoolteacher Zachary Wright writes:

      I remember the silence of the classroom when my student asked whether or not I was racist.

      I remember feeling my heart quicken, my face redden, and the beads of sweat appearing on my brow.

      I remember the instinctual defense posture kick-in and felt the words form on my lips, the words that would preserve my precious self image as a good person, a White person on the right side of history, able to smugly look down my nose on “those” racist people with their confederate flags and Trump stickers.

      And then I remembered to breathe. I looked at the classroom of children who deserved nothing less than the truth. I couldn’t lie and tell them I wasn’t racist just so that I could preserve my supposed racial innocence.

      Nor could I allow any student of mine to live with the false presumption that I was not racist simply because I taught in a nearly all-Black school.

      As [Robin] DiAngelo so bitingly lays bare, “If, as a white person, I conceptualize racism as a binary and I place myself on the ‘not racist’ side, what further action is required of me? No action is required, because I am not a racist. Therefore, racism is not my problem; it doesn’t concern me and there is nothing further I need to do.”

      Had I lied and assured my students that no, their teacher was not a racist White person, then I would have been placing my self-worth above their right to justice and truth, ensnaring us all in the lie that I somehow had no racial work to do.

      This revolution is moving forward briskly and taking aim at more and more targets each year. How much longer Nelson can remain on his column or Charles Darwin’s work will be allowed in public libraries is anyone’s guess, and this will be just one more thing we’ll all have to deal with as our gravy train runs into the financial and resource buffers.

      https://educationpost.org/my-student-asked-me-if-i-was-racist-so-i-told-the-truth-and-said-yes/

    • LoupLoup,

      Thanks for checking my blog. It’s been dead for donkey’s years, I never visit it, I thought it was empty, and I honestly can’t remember posting that Dino and Hillary pic there. I can only assume that somebody hacked onto the blog site and posted it there as a joke. Such things happen. Even the CEO of Twitter had his account hacked recently. It’s about time I closed the thing down.

      Incidentally, “reactionary/right wing populists” is a is a favorite term used by layabout cultural marxists to the denigrate ordinary decent people who who are the salt of the earth and the foundation stones of Western civilization, which said cultural marxists are avid to destroy.

      Ayn Rand was a woman, and you’ve just smeared her too. So by your own jaundiced standards that makes you a sexist. I loath sexism, by the way.

    • I think we all (without particularizing) need to remember that our aim here is rational, courteous and, if I may say so, intellectual and objective discussion of important issues. We’re not, after all, British politicians!

      Terms like ‘right-wing’, ‘Marxist’, ‘left-wing’ and ‘populist’ (though I prefer the more neutral ‘insurgent’) are descriptive, and therefore useful. But ‘reactionary’ and ‘layabout’ aren’t descriptive in this sense, but pejorative.

      Just to be clear about this, I don’t do PC and I abhor censorship. But both racism and sexism are unacceptable, not least because, for example, the only racists I’ve ever encountered have been deeply stupid people.

    • As far as I can tell, fornication is a pretty universal adult human behavior.

      Well, that just shows how little you can trust your experience and instinct in these matters.

      For a start, many adults are considered to be or identify as asexual (up to 5% of males and 10% of females in the US by some measures), meaning they feel little or no sexual attraction and have little or no interest in carnality, and many more adults chose to remain celibate.

      Secondly, a great many and possibly a majority of sexually active adults never fornicate. Like Mike Pence, they follow the practice of eschewing sexual activity outside of marriage.

      I can’t quite decide whether you’ve insulted all non-fornicators or all adult humans, but in any event your opinion is despicable and offensive.

    • Dr. Tim, I quite understand, and I know how irritating this sort of thing can be and why you don’t want your comments filled up with it.

      I deeply apologize, and from now on, I promise not to engage with anyone here who starts name calling.

    • Thank you. I think it’s important that we can disagree with a person’s opinion, very strongly indeed, without engaging in criticism of the person for holding that opinion.

      For example, I can think of many politicians with whom I very strongly disagree. In this case I might say “I find the opinion of Mr X idiotic“. But I wouldn’t say “Mr X is an idiot” (or whatever other term).

      It’s an important distinction, though not always easily drawn. There are a lot of politicians (in particular) of whom my private opinions are very scathing. But in general I try to attack the idea, not the person. “Play the ball, not the man”, as my Rugby-mad late father used to say…..

    • From one on-line dictionary (they are mostly similar):

      reactionary (rɪˈækʃənərɪ; -ʃənrɪ) or reactionist
      adj
      (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) of, relating to, or characterized by reaction, esp against radical political or social change
      n, pl -aries or -ists
      (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) Also: reactionarist a person opposed to radical change
      reˈactionism n

      I apologize if people took my use of the term as pejorative. In my political world, it is descriptive. That said, I won’t further engage on this subthread.

  26. There’s a growing belief that the 31st October deadline for leaving the EU might be breached.

    If there is a general election it could be that it marks the end of the two party dominance with voters defecting to the Liberal democrats – the Brexit Party and small independents in the hope they can be heard.

    Perhaps then we might eventually get a more honest group of MPs who will not fiddle their expenses and will look after the needs of the country in the light of the energy crisis we face.

    Well we can live in hope….

    • Brexit appears to be morphing into “Waiting for Godot” – I get this feeling that just before the deadline of October 31st the EU will extend it. Particularly now after last night with the GE motion being defeated.

      WRT to Lib Dems and their cry to change the electoral system from the current FPTP to a more inclusive PR system – well they chose the wrong bed fellows in the Tories who gave short shrift to that idea. Labour, under Corbyn, may be more receptive to the idea however the current Lib Dem leader, Jo Swinson, does not want to work with him. Self defeating.

      Trust is being rapidly eroded from our political system. There is only trust that backs up our fiat currency systems. Just saying…

    • Well something is going to snap – politically- financially -socially.

      Everything is going to be very different in 10 years time.

    • Tin – I wonder if you’ll still be posting on here in 10 years time ?

      Perhaps energy constraints and lack of spare parts for the Internet servers will restrict access.

      Donald

    • Charles Hugh Smith has a post up on the changing economic landscape in the next few years – taking a US centric view of things. The centre cannot hold because it was all based on the fantasy of economic growth forever on a finite planet. We live in interesting times

    • Interestingly in the Commons today a special select committee were talking about the urgent need to accept less.

      They suggested that people should turn away from cars and walk or use public transport more (they want far more investment in buses)

      I think at least part of the Government and opposition know what’s on the cards.

      They way they presented facts and their concerns and remedies was a far cry from the rabble at PMs question time.

  27. After much talk including in the comments about fiat money & profits, alt technologies, voluntary and non shrinkage, energy bottlenecks…finally population was mentioned. We’ve quadrupled in the life of living individuals. Biologists call this Plague Phase. Technology increased leverage on the planet maybe tenfold as well.

    I agree that inflation is the likely way the trillions in debt can be repaid, and that resource bottlenecks could bite and stop throughput growth. Don’t expect voluntary simplicity as it’s not “in the genes.” It exists as exceptions to the rule. See:
    https://www.ecologycenter.us/ecosystem-theory/the-maximum-power-principle.html

    • Hi Steven, and welcome, as I think it’s your first comment here.

      I’m planning to look at the “how?” of degrowth in a forthcoming piece. It’s not something humanity would ever choose to embrace, but both the economy (from an energy perspective) and the environment (including the ecology) don’t seem to be giving us any choice.

      Population really is a crunch issue. It’s the reason why world prosperity per person, as SEEDS models it, has gone into a gentle decline (which is likely to accelerate). At present, aggregate prosperity is still increasing, but very slowly, and population numbers are growing more rapidly.

      I think we can conclude that the Earth’s carrying capacity has either peaked or been exceeded. What we don’t and maybe can’t know is whether population limitation happens as a matter of choice, or is a Malthusian mix of starvation, war and disease.

    • Thanks for your reply, Tim. Free will is “vastly overrated” in my view. Our evaluative filters and decision drivers are the result of multi-generational heredity incl epigenetic, micro-biome, viruses, prions, and genes. Feedback from current/recent experiences runs through the filters, and choices/decisions are made. The filters can be modified at the same time. Our conscious mind thinks this is intentional, but science isn’t so sure!

      As social mammals, tribes are the responsible units. (flocks, packs, herds, etc) Deviants are corrected, punished, ostracized, killed… Our Achilles Heel is superstition (on top of our cleverness.) See Reg Morrison’s _The Spirit in the Gene_, forward by Lynn Margulis.
      https://innovation.cc/book-reviews/2000_5_2_9_kurtz_bk-rev_morrison_spirit-gene.htm

      Economic systems/ideologies can be akin to religions. But…biology is the ultimate driver. Evolutionary bio & psych explain this best IMO. FYI, I was a currency derivative trader in the 80s, retiring in ’90 at the age of 45 to organic gardening and part time research. Been doing pro-bono work on overshoot since the mid-90s. Studies had been in analytic philosophy.

      I’ve a few (old) short papers debunking misconceptions about financial and commodity markets including environmental effects. Re: overshoot, these folks say 1.7 earths at present:
      https://www.footprintnetwork.org

      Bill Rees(lead developer) and I presented at conferences in Canada nearly 20 years ago. He is far more pessimistic now than Mathis W) Nate Hagens tries not to be a doomer in public as he is a generation younger than me, and is teaching young people.

      Happy to share my few other items. A 10 pg paper on Optimum Pop. which was presented to the Plenary of the World Congress of the System Sciences (Toronto, 2000) It was webcast to 3 continents, and has never been rebutted. It is still on-line here:
      https://www.countercurrents.org/kurtz060611.htm

      Cheers on the downslope,

      Steve
      kurtzsATncfDOTca

      (now Amherst MA)

    • I was wondering why population growth didn’t get a mention. I suspect the reason is because of political correctness. It’s the elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about what Tony Benn described as ‘too many brown babies’. I can’t think of a single problem from water shortage to resource depletion that isn’t made worse by overpopulation.

    • My theory is rising ECOE is a proxy for population growth for those of a politically correct mind. ECOE rises in step exponentially. More people sharing a finite amount of resources drives down prosperity that is obvious.

      The world is having to support more and more economically inactive people. African’s living a subsistence living to increasingly affluent Chinese manufacturing things at below cost the world doesn’t really need.
      Lets be honest here the problem is too many people there is no need to sugar coat it. People can be trusted with the truth,

    • I had to look up ECOE! Found it as ECoE when I included economics in the search. In. N. America, EROEI is normally used. (Energy Return on Energy Invested)

    • The discovery (if that’s the right word) of EROEI is pure genius, articulating the principle that, whenever energy is accessed, some of that energy is always consumed in the access process. Energy Cost of Energy (ECoE) is based on the same principle. There is, incidentally, an essay by Andrew Lees which explains its economic implications with remarkable power. I’m a great admirer of Charles Hall’s work, and of Nate Hagens’.

      All of us, I think, belong to the same school of thought which states that the economy is an energy system, not – as conventional economics tells us – a financial one. Traditional monetary economics dates back to pioneers of whom all were dead by 1823. Theirs was an age in which neither energy scarcity nor climate threat was a meaningful consideration.

      My only – slight – problem with the term EROEI itself is the word ‘invested’. That can – to the uninformed – sound like ROI, which refers only to invested capital, whereas energy cost includes opex as well as capex. I treat ECoE as an economic rent, one which emphatically includes operating as well as capital cost.

    • Re: “My only – slight – problem with the term EROEI itself is the word ‘invested’. That can – to the uninformed – sound like ROI, which refers only to invested capital, whereas energy cost includes opex as well as capex. I treat ECoE as an economic rent, one which emphatically includes operating as well as capital cost.”

      Good distinction. I have, for many years, communicated with Charlie as well as Nate. BTW, see this from yesterday: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-08/gc-seh081819.php

      I sent it around after receiving it on a list, but I don’t have an e-address for you.

    • Thanks Steven. Charlie is brilliant, in my opinion, Nate too.

      I come at this from an economics rather than a physics/natural sciences angle – that’s another reason for referencing ECoE and economic rent. Part of my self-set brief is to relate energy understanding to economics.

      My current focus is on promoting the idea that the economy, properly understood, gives us a second compelling reason for transition.

      Thanks for the link – intriguing to say the least.

  28. @Dr. Morgan
    “Whether ‘peak oil’ is brought about by cost-based supply constraint, or by the diminishing ability of customers to purchase petroleum, is something of a secondary consideration.”

    I have thought a little about that sentence, and I now see a more central role for the ability of customers to purchase. It’s a truism that an economy is defined by trading. The worker trades their energy (their physical and mental energy and the energy they expend in getting to and from the job, the energy they expend to live, the energy they expend to educate themselves to do the job, etc.) to an entrepreneur who turns that energy into products which can be sold in a market. But the aggregate of the workers IS the market the products have to be sold to. So it is necessary that the flows balance. We can look at history as showing BOTH increasing use of fossil fuels to enable the production of more stuff, but also the continuing reduction in friction, so that less energy input produces the same or more output (ignoring externalities, for the moment).

    Environmental considerations require that we reduce the fossil fuel inputs, and it is also true that exponentially rising fossil fuel costs will reduce the output of everything which is not fuel. Tad Patzek thinks that humans will do whatever they have to do, and endure whatever externalities that happen, in order to get the last of the energy slaves. Which leads him to the conclusion that we have not yet used half of the ultimate consumption of fossil fuels.

    However, implicit in his assumption is that the economy will adjust so that there will be shrinkage in everything else. How is that shrinkage to be encouraged? It will be fought both by the consumer and by those companies dependent on those same consumers. The only interest group in favor of the consumption shrinkage is the fossil fuel industry itself.

    Since I live in the US, which has by far the highest health costs in the world, I tend to look to the crisis in sick care for guidance in terms of the bumpy adjustment to reality. In 1999, a retiring physician wrote in the Journal of the American Medical Association an article reflecting on his 40 years of practice. I’ll try to get the quote, but it was to the effect that patients want someone else (the doctor, the hospital, the drug companies, the priest) to solve their problems for them…but in reality it is the patient who has to look after their own health.

    Let me take a breath, and look at the doctor’s statement. The best way to get lynched in the US at the moment is to suggest that men are superior to women….but I suggest that a close second is telling the horde of sick people that they have been doing a lousy job of looking after their health. And yet that is exactly what needs to be done.

    It’s not that some people are not actually looking after their own health. The whole business of Sports Medicine, which has found and demonstrated many amazing things about the capabilities of the human body, is all about managing one’s own fitness…with a helping hand from expert trainers. And I am always amazed when I go into my food co-op and see some new food or supplement appear, go home and look it up on the internet, and find that some new research has pointed out it’s potential. For example, right now it is the potential for L-serine to prevent Lou Gehrig’s disease and very likely other neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s. No pharmaceutical companies have been involved…it was basically a guy looking at traditional medicines who was curious why people on Guam died so frequently of neurodegenerative diseases. It turns out to be pollution in the form of blue-green algae…the same substance which is creating the dead zones in the oceans and lakes from all the industrial agricultural run-off.

    Yet the Trump administration has just proposed that all supplements be regulated like drugs…which increases the cost many-fold. Since the Establishment owns the Trump administration, that isn’t surprising. But it does help us see the real problems:
    *The Establishment IS the friction, and they will strive to use their political power to hold onto their position
    *The majority of people cling to the notion that someone else will save them

    I have previously written about the food industry in the US using 10 calories to get 1 calorie to the stomach. I won’t go into that again. But, today, medicine and food account for probably 50 percent of the US economy. Another quarter is probably accounted for by housing. So we are talking about huge industries which need to change radically. The ability of the politicians to paper everything over with digital money is coming to an end.

    I don’t know whether this glass is half full or half empty. In terms of removing the friction and letting BAU die, it would certainly help with the environmental issues. But hordes of people doing whatever they can to prosper is not a pretty sight to us tender inheritors of the Enlightenment…how many of us can look at Lagos or Nairobi with enthusiasm?

    Don Stewart

    • Professor Ginsberg of Columbia University
      Ten Encounters with the US Health Sector

      What is the most important lesson that I derived from these 10 encounters over the course of 60 years? Americans think of illness and disability as a condition that can be fixed by an expert, in this case a physician. Accordingly they want more medicine, more research, and more physicians, all with lower cost and more equitable distribution. This was the case in 1930 and it is still the case at century’s end. However, the lesson that each individual is ultimately responsible for the maintenance of his or her own health is a lesson that most Americans still need to learn.

    • It’s interesting that the aim of Obamacare was to provide more money to the consumer of healthcare.

      But that could only drive unit prices up (increased demand, same supply).

      A better idea would have been to increase the supply of doctors, gradually through increased training capacity and/or more quickly by recruiting doctors from other countries.

      That would have driven unit prices down (increased supply, same demand).

    • A good post Don – if only the majority of Americans would cut out junk food- eat plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables whike taking regular exercise (and of course not smoking and drinking in moderation)

      Obesity- related Osteoarthritis- heat disease – cancer and hence depression rates would dramatically fall.

      So if they started now within a few decades health costs would plummet.

      Sadly the remit of the big Corporations than run the US is to pump it’s citizens full of sugar while sending them on often unwinnable wars.

      Prevention is always better than cure.

    • Lagos or Nairobi indeed: perhaps the most daunting thought is that a society can become utterly degraded, a war of all against all, and yet persist for as long as minimal energy flows are maintained enabling food supplies, etc, to the general population and continued breeding.

      Imagine living in Pakistan or Mexico: police, judiciary, politicians, none of them can be trusted, all have dirty hands. Corruption, torture, extortion as a possible daily experience……

    • Don, is this true?

      the Trump administration has just proposed that all supplements be regulated like drugs

      Are they going to come after my bicarbonate of soda?

      I read this FDA press release from last February and it seems very reasonable. However, I confess I am not up on the latest US health-related shenanigans.

      https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/statement-fda-commissioner-scott-gottlieb-md-agencys-new-efforts-strengthen-regulation-dietary

      US drugs are among the most expensive in the world, but US vitamin and mineral supplements are among the least expensive and are also a huge export earner. If they go up in price, consumers are going to turn elsewhere.

  29. American civilisation seems utterly corrupted in every aspect one cares to think of, offering a decent model in nothing – at least in terms of the norms imposed from above by corporations (food, health care, industry, entertainment) and political activists and intellectuals, which give individuals and families ever less chance of a sane and healthy life. Did Western civilisation go to North America merely to go mad and die?

    • My late father spent a great deal of time in America and, being extraordinarily well-connected, he met JFK and counted an astronaut amongst his friends. He always said that the US was a remarkable mixture of the good and the bad. That’s been my experience, too.

      Putting a man on the Moon was an astounding achievement. Travelling to Manhattan from the airport I’ve seen a contrast between wealth and poverty like I’ve never see anywhere else. There are parts of the US where crime is rife, and others where you needn’t lock the doors of your house.

    • There’s are some pretty good books that provide some insights into why America is so “utterly corrupted.” One is an in depth cultural history: Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America (1989), by David Hackett Fischer. Another is by environmental historian Donald Worster, Shrinking the Earth: The Rise and Decline of Natural Abundance (2016).

    • There’s also a good short piece as part of the NYTimes “1619” publication (1619 is the year slavery was introduced to what is now the U.S.). https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html
      (“In order to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start on the plantation.”)

      Folks in the EU need to understand how completely warped America is by its horrific history of colonialism, slavery, and genocide. It’s going to take a long time to recover. Probably longer than we have before eco-logical/-nomic collapses overtake us. IMO.

    • On one of his many travels around the United States, my father was given (and brought home) a slave whip. I was very young then, and this evil artefact made a strong impression on me.

      I’m proud of the fact that the Royal Navy sent a ‘preventive squadron’ into the Bight to stop slaving activity from about 1805 onwards. Originally, captured slave ships were sold, but these tended to end up back in “the trade”, so the RN then burned them instead. Any slave setting foot on a British ship became free at that moment. Wilberforce, Romilly and Macaulay were heroes, in my opinion.

    • On the subject if slavery Tim thete have been some shocking stories about modern slavery in the UK with gangs promising good pay and wages and then forcing their victims to hard work with almost zero wages and horrific living conditions.

      You can even have neighbours who appear polite and friendly yet are paying – and treating – a live in servant terribly.

      In a broader sense you could almost include some parts of the Gig economy with elivery drivers losing large sums if they can’t find anyone to take their place if they’re I’ll.

      What sort of people treat others so badly?

    • This is truly appalling, and one of the worst scourges of our times. Punishment needs to be very much tougher. The ‘gig’ economy isn’t the same as ‘modern slavery’, of course, but it IS extremely exploitative.

      Amongst other things, we need a rethink of our values. Oppression and exploitation – and the unbridled greed which seems to inform them – should have no place in a civilized society.

    • Here’s another hook to overpopulation. With automation, AI, robotics…demand for labor is restricted somewhat by still needed skill sets. Meanwhile, migration has brought millions of people into developed economies, and their average fecundity has been much higher than the domestic rate. Desperate people are vulnerable to predatory relationships. Prostitution, drugs, and slavery recruitment are abetted. Recall the saying: make me your slave…just feed me.

  30. ‘Primitive people’ is not at all ‘racist’.

    I would equally apply that term to the Europeans of the 16th – 20th centuries who couldn’t stop copulating despite the very obvious risks of syphilis.

    If you believe that magic or prayers are going to stop you getting the clap, and ignore quite obvious transmission processes, you are primitive indeed, in my book: you see, a completely race-neutral comment.

    I would also describe my Basque grandmother as having been born into a ‘primitive’ world: the high Pyrenees of the 1920’s, in some ways still Neolithic/Iron Age.

    But anyway, who appointed you as PC thought controller?

    We are, thankfully, free of that kind of nonsense here and address more serious and pressing issues.

    • I’m not sure which comment you’re replying to here.

      For me, ‘primitive’ can be better than ‘sophisticated’, if you look at where our Western “sophistication” has got us!

      What was it Tom Lehrer said – something like “This is pornographic, or, if you live in New York, ‘sophisticated'”?

    • Indeed Xabier, primitive exposure of political correctness won’t solve the population issues.

    • I believe Xabier is responding to my post calling out his use of “primitive” as racist. I didn’t even see his response until a couple days later because he did not put it in the same sub thread.

      I posted a response to Tim Groves (under houtskool’s post) in the original sub thread. (waiting moderation because of two URLs). Obviously I have touched a nerve. It’s not “nonsense” to discuss how people relate to each other. Resolving our “serious and pressing issues” has everything to do with how people relate to each other.

      People in different cultures have different experiences. Clearly, to Xabier use of “primitive” has no negative connotations. I pointed out in my embargoed comment that this is not true for many people, especially Blacks (African Americans) in the United States. It is not “politically correct” or being a “thought controller” to point this out. Get over it.

    • If – as I hope and believe – all of us here share an absolute condemnation of racism, this can be taken as “a given”, so requires no further discussion.

      This will enable us to stick to energy, economics and related subjects.

  31. I’m just watching questions being asked in the house of commons to the housing secretary regarding housing safety.

    It’s quite clear that an enormous amount of retro fitting of sprinklers and fire doors is necessary to bring certain types of building up to standard.

    This brings me back to the delay- and hopefully cancellation – of HS2. We simply have to use what resources we have left for the maintenance of existing assets and the building of vital ones and not waste any on silly projects

    • That Neolithic settlement found recently in the Fens, the one that burnt down a few months after being built, -and whose inhabitants were it seems riddled with disease – shows that the pattern of British domestic life was set rather earlier than hitherto supposed….

  32. @Dr. Morgan
    RE: Obamacare

    ObamaCare was wrong headed for more fundamental reasons than you allude to. For example, Obama gave the drug companies 33 million dollars to develop a drug for Alzheimer’s. In the words of Dr. Lee Know, in Mitochondria and the Future of Medicine:
    “Little did they know, that drug already exists, and it’s called aerobic exercise…Use that 33 million and buy every adult a nice pair of running shoes and send them out to run around their neighborhood…’to prevent a heart attack, take one pill every day, and take it out for a run, and then take it to the gym, and then take it for a bike ride…”..’

    While some respected doctors testified in favor of an Obamacare bill which would favor health promotion, rather than disease treatment, their advice was ignored.

    Now I want to suggest a parallel, which isn’t proof but is suggestive to me. The mitochondria which were originally free living bacteria, but are now a critically important generator of energy in our cells and also the organisms that govern apoptosis…programmed cell death which helps us avoid cancer… are “brutally efficient while most eukaryotic cells are gigantic and incredibly complex beings—and all this complexity comes with an energetic cost….In fact, virtually every aspect of a eukaryotic cell’s life—shape shifting, growing large, building a nucleus, hoarding reams of DNA, multicellularity—requires large amounts of energy and thus depends on the existence of mitochondria.”

    When the mitochondria do not make enough energy, we get the diseases of wasting. When they make too much, as when we eat too much, we get the diseases of excess. The exercise cure that Dr. Know described earlier is one way the bacteria modulate our bodies toward health.

    Obama, who entered the White House with something like a 75 percent approval rating, will be, I think, remembered as the President who squandered it all…and maybe as the guy sentenced for illegal activities after the election results became known in 2016. Regardless of political convenience and public ignorance, the energetic foundation of life, and how that is impacted by both the body we inherit and the economic and social and ecological world we live in, needs to be first on the list of things to pay attention to. The second thing to pay attention to is the exosomatic forms of energy and how those shape our eukaryotic world. But one cannot choose ‘economic growth’ over ‘mitochondrial health’ and expect anything except disaster.

    Don Stewart

    • Obviously I know a great deal less about this than you do.

      I was thrilled when Mr Obama was elected, particularly since he followed the man I regard as the worst US president of modern times.

      But my sense is that Mr Obama achieved very little when in office.

    • Spanish folk dances are simply fantastic exercise,and great spirit- lifters – jota, fandango, axe dance, malaguena, bolero, etc, offer a splendid work-out. Even better with a pretty partner….

      British soldiers during the Peninsular War against Napoleon often mocked the peasants they saw dancing outside their hovels in the evenings – very different to a drunken evening in the pub although there is an entertaining dance for men over a bottle of wine – but who was healthiest and happiest?

  33. For Those Who Like Parallels
    Here is an interview between Ari Whitten and Lee Know, the mitochondria expert. The mitochondria produce 90 percent of the energy used in our bodies. The particular excerpt below relates to the controversial notion of ‘adrenal fatigue’. That discussion resembles a discussion between Larry Summers or Christine LaGarde and Dr. Morgan. The former want to look at symptoms and apply medications to dull the pain. The latter wants to get down to the bedrock explanation. The thyroid doctors are generally not thrilled to be told that they are lost in the symptoms….Don Stewart

    https://www.theenergyblueprint.com/how-to-overcome-fatigue/

    As you mentioned, there is a lot of research going on that looked at mitochondria as being the core of fatigue and chronic fatigue. That’s not to discount what’s going on with the adrenals or the thyroid. What’s going on in those situations is still absolutely true, but if you dig deeper the root is mitochondrial dysfunction. So there is this interplay between the mitochondria and the adrenals, and the thyroid, but when you ask why, so as an example, you ask why are the adrenals fatigued?
    Why are they not able to produce the hormones that it’s responsible for producing. You keep asking why, you’re going to get down to the cellular level and the organelle level, and you’re going to start to realize that its dysfunctional mitochondria, everything that happens in the cell, again, requires energy.

    One of the things that I had mentioned the brain and the heart earlier, but organs, in general, have a very high metabolic demand, and these organs are producing hormones, packaging them up, secreting them, and that all takes a lot of energy. So if your adrenals do not have the energy it needs to produce those hormones and make your body’s metabolism where it needs to be, again, you’re going to experience that as fatigue.

  34. Gail Tverberg’s Current Post
    Gail concludes, near the end of the comment roll as I write this, that the Peak Oil story and the ERoEI story are both obsolete. She is convinced that energy prices will remain too low to finance the energy industry.

    I want to make what I think is an observation which is critical to thinking the problem through:
    So far, the Central Banks have prevented the global economy from adapting to higher energy costs.

    The evidence is the bubble in debt. So long as people can adapt by simply going into debt, there is no real adaptation.

    Suppose, in contrast, that individuals and corporations and governments had to live on a cash flow basis, and the cash was a hard currency. My prediction is that many prices would have fallen, but energy would not be among those that fell the most. In relative terms, energy would be more expensive. We would still need it, but we would no longer be able to afford it if there is a viable alternative…including doing without, or shifting to smaller cars or hybrid electric, or living healthier and using drugs and doctors less, etc. The growth in debt has permitted us to largely avoid the structural adjustments.

    Going toward the future, if Dr. Morgan is correct that our next existential event is a currency crisis, then the ‘debt pressure escape valve’ will no longer work. And I would expect energy prices to rise relative to other prices. What the absolute level will be, in a world of currency collapse, is not a well-defined question.

    Don Stewart

    • If there is a currency collapse Don then the countries affected won’t be able to pay for any energy sinking the oil companies anyway.

      Basically even if there isn’t a currency collapse we know that without the correct price to pay for investment for production – the amount if oil able to be extracted is going to slump.

      So yes we could have either taken our medicine slowly over the last 20 years or now have a great big tablespoon forced down us.

      However people will continue to party though as long as they can – you’ll know from some of my previous posts that my MP will take no real notice.

    • If it’s her posted dated 5.9.2019 then it shows a better understanding of what is going on and the options available.

      I read some if the comments attached to Jenkin’s post and found them as divisive as those in the Telegraph.

      Clearly anger can be as bad on the Left as it is the Right.

  35. @ewaf88
    If the energy companies collapse along with the currency, then the farmer with the woodlot or the ox will be in the driver’s seat. Just as with the mitochondria, it is energy that makes the wheel go round, and people will demand energy so long as they have ANYTHING to trade for it, including their own labor or violence.
    Don Stewart

  36. @ewaf88
    Another analogy occurs to me. If you followed the Whitten/ Know discussion, you heard that taking medications which suppress free radicals is damaging. Why? Because the free radicals are a signal to the body that something is malfunctioning, and to take remedial action.

    The free radicals in a modern economy are financial distress. By medicating the symptom of financial distress, the Central Banks have suppressed the signal…so nothing fundamental has been done. The patient may expire in a drug induced coma.

    Don Stewart
    PS. Gail’s position, as I understand it, is to keep the party rolling as long as possible, because no adaptation is possible. Except that maybe God has a plan.

    • Yes Don Gail had a plan. The truth often hurts but in the case iof energy it would cause far more than hurt.

      Well in a way it suits everyone. My plan is to install solar panels and a heat pump.

      Donald

    • Well there is one less bad person on the planet now that Mugabe has passed away.

      He seemingly started well but went off the rails later.

    • I think it was Private Eye which called him ‘The Yorkshireman’ – spelt backwards, his name was E-BA-GUM. This may be funny only to UK readers, though. Yorkshire people are sometimes caricatured as saying “eeh bah gum!” (meaning “well I never!”)

    • I wonder if Gail T. believes in supernaturals…I doubt it as she is too sensible. We’ve interacted for years.

  37. Perhaps the economics (not the politics) of redistributionist policies, considered in the light of the energy crunch, merits an essay on its own?

    One can only agree that it will come to dominate politics as matters worsen.

    But in as much as redistribution and progressive taxation policies were effective in the age of growing energy flows, they must surely fail in the age of constriction and collapse.

    • But in as much as redistribution and progressive taxation policies were effective in the age of growing energy flows, they must surely fail in the age of constriction and collapse.

      What evidence do you have that redistribution is less apropos of economic constriction than expansion? While the rich will certainly have a strong desire to hold on to their assets as they shrink, there will be an equally strong desire to keep people well enough fed that they don’t start taking those assets by force.

      I also think that there is an historic correlation between the extent of societal poverty and the likelihood of socialism. Just look at China and the Soviet Union. When people are destitute the pitchforks come out. When the pitchforks come out redistribution happens.

    • Taxes on use of fossil fuels might discourage their inefficient use, but those taxes’ effect would need to be separated from discouraging use of high EROEI resources in favour of lower EROEI resources.

      A Land Rental Value Tax would discourage unproductive use of the finite resource of land.

    • Sorry, I need more detail to understand your post. A profit seeking Corp. is pulling the trigger. We don’t yet know if they’re shooting blanks or live ammo. Energy throughput enables growth; it does “kill” other species and increase toxification of the planet.

    • If the consumption of fossil fuels was taxed more heavily then this would discourage consumers from using fossil fuels inefficiently. However it might also discourage the use of high EROEI fossil fuels in favour of other energy sources with lower EROEI, thus accelerating economic degrowth.

  38. As for violence: the Right may employ it (and in the case of Nazism, present it as the sole ideal for society, the ultimate test of endurance and nerves); but the Left, since the French Revolution, tends to sanctify and condone it ‘ if the end justifies the means’.

    This, of course, opens the Gates to Hell, as we have seen on every continent in the course of the 20th century.

    There is no reason to be surprised by it. Every political movement that seeks a spotless Utopia must necessarily become murderous. due to its own internal logic. Killing becomes a ‘political action’, not a moral crime,and so on.

    In the same way, it condones robbery if the end sought is ‘economic and social justice’.

    The Guardian, for instance, tried to justify the London riots of a few years ago as political protest – quite contemptible and, more importantly, inaccurate. Just scum robbing and burning because they thought they could get away with it, in the face of very weak authorities.

    • Indeed, on ideological purity, the Puritans of the 1650s objected on dogmatic grounds to gold ornaments in churches. They removed them – and then kept them, much as they helped themselves to the lands of royalists in exile.

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    • Thanks for link – here’s a small extract-

      ‘To stabilize the electricity grid and avoid becoming too dependent on imported natural gas, Germany is expanding coal mining to the Hambach forest, where environmental activists were arrested last September.

      Meanwhile, local communities and environmentalist have successfully blocked the building of transmission lines from the windy north to the industrial south’

      There’s madness going on here with of course ultra clean coal mining replacing filthly Nuclear power – and stopping power lines being built to transmit wind energy.

      In my view nuclear has always been on of the better options but the German Greens don’t want them.

      The tragic Tsunami in Japan which knocked out a Nuclear reactor did so much to turn some countries away from Nuclear power although it is relatively safe.

  39. Certainty on Friday PM
    It is a terrible thing to go into the weekend awash in anxiety…such as happens when one has to confront all sorts of conflicting opinions. I made the mistake of checking on Brexit and also checking Art Berman’s twitter account. From looking at the Automatic Earth’s description of the turmoil around Brexit (and no, please don’t explain it to me), it seems that nobody knows which way is up. I just wonder if they are going to be able to get a truck through the channel tunnel.

    Turning to Art Berman’s twitter, he references a Wall Street analyst who says ‘sell everything oil’, and downgrades Exxon-Mobil to ‘sell’. The reasoning: governments are going to be aggressive in curbing oil consumption. I flipped through the comments and saw all the conflicting opinions that I have come to expect on this subject.

    Fortunately, Dr. Morgan provides a calm spot in the turbulent waters. Just look at trend ECoE and figure out what must happen to the Complex System we call BAU. It’s all very comforting, in a resigned sort of way…and please don’t bother me with all the conflicting opinions you may have. Something like the kindly old family doctor explaining that your complaint isn’t very important…we all die eventually.

    Don Stewart

    • Thank you for that, Don – I do believe in being as calm as possible, because I see it as the best way to be objective.

      Something I’m working on now, perhaps for the next article, is the process of de-growth. Logically, as BAU crumbles, so will ‘government as usual’ (GAU). But in some places GAU seems to be front-running BAU in the crash stakes.

      The UK is a case in point. I’m studiously neutral over the “Brexit” decision itself. But an absolutely critical aspect of democracy is that, in any vote, the losers must accept the result.

      Losers crying foul, and denying the validity of their opponents’ victory, is something we used to associate with what were once called ‘third world’ nations, and are now called emerging countries. The corollary of the latter seems to me to be a ‘submerging’ economy.

      Britain seems now to be following this path. This is worrying. “Remain” supporters can use one of three arguments to justify their actions. They can claim (a) that the vote was rigged. Clearly, it wasn’t. They can claim (b) that their opponents lied – I’m sure both sides did, but this happens in all elections. So they’re left with (c) the implied position that the voters ‘got it wrong’, the voters being, by inference, idiots.

      This isn’t what one associates with ‘democracy’ or with an ‘advanced’ economy.

    • As the requirements, likely impacts, and machinations of executing a Brexit have become known the past two years or so, many who voted (shooting from the hip) are having second thoughts. If the populace is now likely well over 50% for remaining, wouldn’t a second referendum be even more democratic?

    • Unfortunately, I don’t think so.

      A second referendum (on any subject) can make sense after the result of the first has been implemented. Otherwise, it smacks of ‘keep voting till you get it right’.

      Europe has a history of re-running referenda until the authorities get the result they want, most notably over the Maastricht treaty.

      I’m by no means sure what the outcome might be – contempt for the political elite, clearly a factor in 2016, has probably worsened since then. And, if by any chance the vote was ‘leave’ again, would opponents respect this result? I rather doubt it.

      British democracy is pretty fragile, compared to the US. There is no separation of powers, the upper chamber is nominated (not elected), and the non-proportional voting system often gives a party a majority in Parliament with only 35% or so of the vote. This calls for responsible behaviour on all sides – which isn’t what’s happening.

  40. The mullahs in Iran, after dethroning the wicked Westernised Shah and murdering his followers, took great care to seize their valuable art collections (which mostly should be destroyed under the strictest rules of Islam – no image-making!)

    The hypocrisy of the ‘virtuous’ is wonderful to behold.

    Similarly, the Holy Inquisition seized all the estate of a condemned heretic, leaving family members destitute regardless of their own spiritual state. The religion which enjoins, above all, charity to widows and children and the poor……

    I particularly relished the way the Soviet state would, after condemning someone to prison for political crimes, send officers to seize their clothes as ‘only good citizens deserve good clothes’.

    • Well in a few decades time when the projects to map the human brain are complete we will hopefully have a better understanding of why we act like we do.

  41. A Very Dark Sky
    A few tidbits, which I will try to summarize:
    *New article showing that Energewende has ‘cost Germans dearly’. German grid almost shut down recently due to intermittency problems. Same problem in Texas a few weeks ago.
    *European bank gets 1 billion US dollar rescue from the Fed
    *Utter destruction in Bahamas. Residents say ‘we will come back, stronger, bigger…’ On islands which will soon enough be under the ocean?
    *Naomi Klein writes new book. Suggesting what? More Germany and Texas???
    *Greta Thunberg has ‘taken our town (NYC) by storm..’ suggesting what, exactly? What she has said is ‘you are our leaders, do something’.
    *Sand replenishment projects on the Atlantic seaboard in the US will get revved up at public expense to put all the sand moved by Dorian back where beachfront owners want it to be.

    Albert Bates and his co-author Kathleen Draper are in Finland for a conference on technological solutions. Albert’s post which will appear on Sunday for the general public, was made available to his subscribers yesterday. He’s basically saying that we have a perfect storm, but that wisdom requires looking the facts in the face and getting on with what we know we have to do. Bates and Draper show in their book that ‘carbon cascades’ based on burning wood in a low oxygen environment can supply humans with enough energy in forms which will keep at least some of us from total disaster….perhaps, I would guess, with 10 or 20 percent of our current energy usage. I do not think it will keep Lagos and Nairobi and New York and Tokyo viable…Albert’s long time project of Ecovillages may prosper.

    What is being demanded of humans is probably unique in history. We are being asked to respond to some indications, which are certainly not evident to people living and working in the shiny skyscrapers of the world, of impending doom exhibiting in the form of Seneca Cliffs. The survivors in The Bahamas exhibit the kind of attitude that is all too common:
    “I want to continue to live on the beach, in a modern house with all the good stuff that electricity powers, and the oil powered ships and planes which make it possible, so the world owes it to me.”

    There have been collapses all through history. City A conquered City B and all the men in City B were slaughtered and the women and children enslaved. But never 7.7 billion people in a short period of time. I have the sinking feeling that the prophets (who were usually stoned to death or, worse, ignored) are Bates and Draper with their ’10 percent solution’ and Kris DeDecker showing how manual dredging can keep the canals in Holland navigable and solar panels can, intermittently, power his website. I won’t try to characterize Dr. Morgan’s message, since he is here to defend himself, while Bates, Draper, and DeDecker can be misconstrued with some impunity!

    Don Stewart

    • Jean Monnet, the founder of the EU, and Arthur Salter, a civil servant, modeled the original project on the lines of the League of Nations, in which they both served in the 1920s. The structure of the EEC closely follows that of the League.

      The League hadn’t worked and Monnet designed the EEC with the weaknesses of the League expunged. They wanted a structure with no national veto, as had destroyed the League, and they did not want it to be compromised by the need for popular consent.

      The EU was formed as a technocratic project and it remains one.

    • @ewaf88

      Just after WW11 the US was in two minds about Germany. Henry Morgenthau put forward a proposal to pastoralise Germany but this was rejected because a strong Europe was needed as a countervailing power to the Soviet Union and a strong Germany was an integral part of that Europe. Hence the Marshall Plan and other initiatives to help European recovery and development.

      The ECSC, the forerunner of the EEC, was inspired by the US as part of this programme rather than the Europeans. In fact it is said that the Schuman declaration, setting up the ECSC was actually drafted by Dean Acheson, the US Secrtetary of State rather than Robert Schuman himself.

      In those days people didn’t question or challenge things and things are often not what they appear.

    • Thanks I had a feeling that countering Soviet Union had something to do with it.

      You could argue that plans for an EU army is a continuation.

      I was born 13 years after the war ended but I can understand the drive to stop any sort of European war happening again with all its horrors.

      The Telegraph link was actually posted in the comments section with the Telegraph.

      Of course the so called Brexiteers highlighted it as proof of what the EU was really about – but perhaps they need to take into account the fears of the time.

  42. Hi Tim

    Thanks for another interesting and rather apocalyptic post.

    Based on your scenario of a decline in prosperity we’ll get some de growth whether we like it or not due to rising ECofE and EROEI. The debt compensator must have some limit sooner or later so the use of debt to bridge the gap is on borrowed time.

    I do wonder whether demographics might not, at least partially, ride to the rescue. Apart from sub Saharan Africa there appears to be very few places where population is not going to decline over the next thirty or forty years and one wonders if the projections for this area will turn out to be correct. This issue, together with the energy issue, are those more fundamental forces that operate under the radar and yet which influence us far more than almost anything else. You mention Brexit above but this is a pinprick compared to these issues.

    I can’t see that the World will embrace de growth readily; it’s a fundamental part of the DNA of society and modifying this may only come as a result of a cathartic crisis – maybe GFC11.

    Quite apart from human psychology you can’t dismiss geopolitical issues. It might be fine for the developed world to say “let’s have less growth” but it’s another thing to say it to the Chinese or Africans before they have grown very much; it’s a bit like pulling up the drawbridge leaving some of the peasants outside to fend for themselves.

    I don’t know the way out of this; I fear some of the paths may not be pleasant.

    • Thanks Bob. I think I’d use the term ‘realistic’ rather than ‘apocalyptic’, though.

      “Growth” is a comparatively recent (200-year) obsession. The reality of growth has been the supplementing of human (and animal) energy, sourced in a circular way through nutrition, with exogenous forms of energy, overwhelmingly of fossil origin.

      I agree 100% that the interests of poorer parts of the world must be front and centre in any future planning.

      Getting away from our growth obsession isn’t likely to be something that we choose. But it’s likely to be forced upon us. The key seems to lie in (a) recognizing what is happening, and (b) adapting, not just our lifestyles but also our attitudes and expectations, to the new reality.

      The catalyst might well be GFC II.

    • Apocolypse is defined as revelations after the unknowns become knowns – in this case though the unknowns have been known about for nearly 40 years with TLTG; they have been widely ignored instead. So Bob does have a point there

    • Speaking personally, I’ve not commented yet because I’m rushed off my feet work-wise. It’s very interesting, but I need to give it more thought.

      You’re right about the growthists, but I question whether they’ve left it too late for nuclear – prosperity is falling now, the ECoEs of fossil fuel energy needed for a nuclear build-out are already high, and I’m quite sure we’re heading for a big financial ‘event’ pretty soon.

    • Part of the issue here is extracting energy from (say) tar sands without the associated emissions. Not being a chemist, I find it hard to grasp the extraction of fossil energy without emissions.

      It’s interesting that some leading German academics recently advocate H, saying that EVs were not environmentally any better than the current diesel models (depending, I assume, on the German power generation slate).

    • The injection of oxygen into the fields isn’t explained in detail. Energy must be expended to produce “pure” oxygen. There is embedded energy in the infrastructure, as well as in transport of it. So the process can’t be emission free. But they do say that the H is much cheaper than the FF, plus needs no refining.

      “The researchers have found that injecting oxygen into the fields raises the temperature and liberates H2, which can them be separated from other gases via specialist filters. Hydrogen is not pre-existing in the reservoirs, but pumping oxygen means that the reaction to form hydrogen can take place.

      Grant Strem, CEO of Proton Technologies which is commercialising the process says “This technique can draw up huge quantities of hydrogen while leaving the carbon in the ground.”

    • Steven, that’s because it is is a possibility within the collapse spectrum. No one dares to pull the trigger.

      How was your first kill is a rather confronting question if it involves a billion people.

  43. What about the emissions from, and FFs used in building the vehicles/infrastructure that use the Hydrogen? What is the H going to be used for, what scale are we talking about achieving and how long will it take and how much will it cost?

    And why are people so fixated on all being able to drive cars? Is that the pinnacle of human existence and achievement?

    • Much the same is true of EVs.

      I don’t understand why we can’t limit engine sizes of new cars, and mandate that all new ICE vehicles must be hybrids.

    • Tim I’ve never understood the economics of hybrids as energy wise you can’t get something for nothing.

      Does the extra economy achieved offset any extra energy and materials used in their production?

    • You can’t get something for nothing, but it’s possible to capture some of the waste energy/heat and use it – that’s my understanding of it.

    • Well I’d love to see a full analysis to see if the energy saved does offset the extra needed to produce the car.

      Obviously it could be over a number of years but you may have to factor in extra maintenance although the Toyota Prius is pretty reliable according to reports and certainly produces excellent economy in the stop start environment of town driving.

      Anyway – as I’ve mentioned before- as prosperity reduces so will car ownership with many having to switch to smaller more economical vehicles so the problem of too many cars may fix itself.

  44. Asked another way, what percentage of our economy and how much of GDP is the extraction industries’ share of producing the components of cars and trucks, the auto industry, gas and diesel refining, pipelines, delivery, usage, the repairs, the everywhere asphalt or concrete roads, the medical and other costs associated with car crashes, and the unaccounted for costs of junking cars in our wastelands? Is the fixation on cars driven by the economic need to keep that going? Because otherwise we have no idea what to do with ourselves to replace it?

    Cars have destroyed the world, and worsened human sociability with it. See Ivan Illich, Energy and Equity (1974), who is, of course, still ignored along with everyone else who called BS on industrial life.

    • Energy and Equity (1973?) contains some brilliant insights. I like: “only a ceiling on energy use can lead to social relations that are characterized by high levels of equity. … Participatory democracy postulates low-energy technology.”

    • I have to agree with you about cars.

      I suppose if Henry Ford hadn’t made them cheap enough for mass consumption somebody else would.

      Imagine World with far more trams – light railways – buses – trains plus special transportation taxis to get to difficult locations.

      The World wouldn’t be gasping for breath and resources would be so depleted especially if we’d gone mainly electric where feasible.

    • I’m with you on that. I think it was the actor Jeremy Irons who made a short film, a long time ago, about the death toll from cars.

      A friend of mine suggested that it wasn’t Henry Ford to blame, but whoever invented the starter-motor – how large an engine would people really want to hand-crank?

    • Infernal engines, certainly.

      In Britain, at least, people were conditioned mentally to get excited by automobiles due to the long-established hierarchy of locomotion: higher status meant using wheels in some form – whether private carriage or the carter’s wagon, and only the destitute walked anywhere (except within the limited radius of the village and its environs).

      In fact in the 18th century, to be a pedestrian marked you out not only as a beggar but also potentially a criminal., and you would be treated accordingly.

      A naive German student who had plenty of money but wanted to make a pedestrian tour of Romantic England, inspired by Wordsworth, was shocked by the treatment he received at inns for turning up on his feet. He noted that the poorest villagers would save up to pay for a ride rather than submit to the shame of going on foot.

      The mass car producers needed to associate owning a car with higher status, and succeeded; then they went on to shape whole cities to be car-friendly and totally hostile to anything else.

      And the workers in the factories are actually still proud of making the damn things…..
      .

    • Well cars have always been a status symbol with some on my close having these relatively short contracts so they can upgrade every few years

      Future depletion of oil may yet save our environment although it’s going to be close.

      I still dream of Nuclear fusion being cracked (or the use of Thorium based reactors) and a clean electric future – it might not be in my remaining lifetime but I have my fingers crossed for future generations.

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